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UER Forum > Canada: Alberta / BC > Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. (Viewed 1572773 times)
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< Reply # 560 on 1/27/2006 5:59 PM >
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yeah cool follow up Kubla. Well it seems we have a bunch of different types of tunnels used for many things. Secret rooms, tunnels, coal shutes, tunnels connected between stores and streets, secret housing for immigrants or the poor or whatever.

If thers so many legit and non legit tunnels, ther could be alot more used privately. One of my arguments.. Kawalski.. was that these tunnels could and probably are being used or have been used in the past privately and secretly.

People arent stupid, whoever filled up and sealed these entrances its possible the sealed off the good ones, or the big ones or secret ones who knows.

And remember your not going to find these secret tunnels in the coal shutes, but for example it could be an old coal shute that is blocked off. Or, a coal shut or other tunnel leads into other secret rooms or areas to be used for anything including religious and criminal activity.




As crazy as this might sound (I've repeated the idea a few times, silently, to myself just to see how crazy the idea is) mavrix might have a point.

In fact, I'd say he's even on to something.

Here you have a building with an existing coal shute, now sealed (more or less) and this chute encircles the entire building. Parts are blocked off. Parts are not.

Let's extend this idea a bit further to include other parts of Old Town. Coal shutes, mind you, that had been sealed off over the years, with some access points hidden/forgotten and now possibly re-discovered by local indigents.

NOT the tunnels imagined as part of a labyrinth-type structure, but coal shutes that run down the entire length of a city block, yet connect each retail-outlet (at least at one time) and are now sealed. These would be the sealed-over arches found in basements, etc. E.g. Market Square. E.g. The Patch. Etc. etc.

Anyone buying any of this yet...? Jester...?







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< Reply # 561 on 1/27/2006 6:21 PM >
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I'm happy to buy the idea that the bulk of the downtown tunnel rumours are derelict coal chutes. It makes perfect sense from all points, and I salute you.

Sadly, mavrix will have to check his esoteric black magic fixation at the door if this theory has traction, which is of course what I've been trying to get him to do for the past twenty pages.




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mind you, i do not claim to believe in the existance of satanic tunnels one way or the other in this area. All im saying is that ther are secret tunnels, that are used privately. and that yes, they could be used for occult religions.

Then you can speculate any wich way you want, but the title is of secret tunnels not satanic ones.

Lets just forget about the occult stuff, lets just focus on secret tunnels used privately. You can only assume occult stuff after this is established that ther are or were people using secret tunnels privately (wich was one of my points a few thousand pages ago)




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< Reply # 563 on 1/28/2006 2:38 AM >
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Gorbalskorp, do you have similar maps of Store St you could post?


As a matter-of-fact I do! As you can tell the Johnson St. bridge had not been constructed when these maps were drawn. Also I apologize for the quality of the pictures, but they had to be changed to fit the requirements.

The pictures begin at Johnson and end at Pembroke



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It would be pretty interesting if you were able get some photos of the tunnel as well, KublaKhan




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What's the date on those maps Gorbalskorp? Thanks for posting them.




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I'd say that most owners have probably sealed off their sections of these tunnels and either use them for storage or filled them in to prevent access from the sidewalk. Obviously some still exist intact. Neat!


Also i was thinking why would a owner of a building tell anyone about their coal storage area ,,the city may come in and burry it ,,leaving the owner less space to store things ,,in vic, the price of property is hugely expensive ,,
and maybe thats why these tunnels are toung and cheek,,

Another Room = more land,,
Tell about secret room = Getting Your Storage space filled in by the city,,
Tell people about all the secret tunnels in the area = Drawing attention away from your satanic sex chamber,,,

Anywase just a thought ,,

anyone else ?? ,,





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Ok well that map is from 1885 right? That entire block doesn't exist anymore. The Janion hotel was built in 1891. The janion in this 1885 map is a storage warehouse which must have been torn down when that whole zone was rebuilt. I wonder if more recent maps exist.




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Also i was thinking why would a owner of a building tell anyone about their coal storage area ,,the city may come in and burry it ,,leaving the owner less space to store things ,,in vic, the price of property is hugely expensive ,,
and maybe thats why these tunnels are toung and cheek,,

Another Room = more land,,
Tell about secret room = Getting Your Storage space filled in by the city,,
Tell people about all the secret tunnels in the area = Drawing attention away from your satanic sex chamber,,,

Anywase just a thought ,,

anyone else ?? ,,




Good point. However, I told the guy what I was doing, and asked him flat out: are there tunnels in the area?

And he looked at me and said, "Yes." And then he explained what it was, what it used to be and what it is now. He told me about the building that he's occupied for 30+ years. He mentioned a few things. All very matter-of-fact.





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Also i was thinking why would a owner of a building tell anyone about their coal storage area ,,the city may come in and burry it ,,leaving the owner less space to store things ,,in vic, the price of property is hugely expensive ,,
and maybe thats why these tunnels are toung and cheek,,

Another Room = more land,,
Tell about secret room = Getting Your Storage space filled in by the city,,
Tell people about all the secret tunnels in the area = Drawing attention away from your satanic sex chamber,,,

Anywase just a thought ,,

anyone else ?? ,,



its more like this. anyone who is using a tunnel or storage for personal private things, they wont mention anything. any tunnels or rooms that are open most of them might not connect to another tunnel, they may have before they could close them.


the other point is that victoria is littered with secret tunnels and rooms. KublaKhan has proven this. and got witness reports. Thumbs up!

half or most of these tunnels are not checked by engineers and maintenance.

thus truly unknown and hidden.

Maybe some connect with working drains, or maybe they used to so a connection exists.

Now kwalski and Jester admit it! you guys were wrong, time to admit it. Kubla proved hidden secret tunnels exist.





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Now kwalski and Jester admit it! you guys were wrong, time to admit it. Kubla proved hidden secret tunnels exist.


You do realize that I stated earlier in the thread, I found evidence of tunnels when I was in Vic, right ?

What I don't believe, is anything to do with your rambling babble about the satanic/black magick/pentagram tunnel system or any other random bullshit.


Lots of big cities have some sort of tunnels in their history, whether it's some sort of utility tunnels, old ones from the smuggling days, or just connections between a couple of buildings. totally believable, and I said so.

But the incessant propagation of old wives tales, well, that I don't support nor believe.




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< Reply # 570 on 1/28/2006 7:33 AM >
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All im saying is that ther are secret tunnels, that are used privately. and that yes, they could be used for occult religions.



They could also be used to smuggle lions....
Or tigers....

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edit: hehehehe... Take that Jester! LOL!



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HMmmff, only in kenya.




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How about smuggling labourers? Chinese labourers? Indentured Chinese labourers? How about housing these indentured Chinese labourers in some old and forgotten coal chute so that they might avoid paying a $500 Welcome to Canada fee?

In any event, we are now closer to an actual tunnel, and by extension, an admission of a tunnel's existence, than we were way back on page one, post one.

Agreed?

And now that such notable UE Members as kowalski and Jester have offered some support in this acknowledgement is, if nothing else, an endorsement of tunnels, per se.

Yes? No? Maybe?




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What I don't believe, is anything to do with your rambling babble about the satanic/black magick/pentagram tunnel system or any other random bullshit.


Maybe not you Jester but im sure Kowalski said thers no secret hidden tunnels. And someone said change the name of the thread to known tunnels.

The only reason this satanic BS got so popular is because you like bashing anyone whos ideas are different then yours.

the satanic debate was just and off shoot of the original, any secret tunnel debate, as far as my memory says. In either case these "rumors" have led to lots of evidence and we know a heck of a lot more now, then we did at page 1.

Who realy cares whos right or wrong, but now as you see our ramblings and rumors brought us closer then your bullshit flaming.





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The only reason this satanic BS got so popular is because you like bashing anyone whos ideas are different then yours.


Really ? Are you sure the rambling satanic bullshit didn't have anything to do with you ? Or how about almost entirely with you ?

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Interesting. Here are my thoughts.

The whole satanic underground tunnels, do exist. But beware of venturing to deep into those tunnels. If you heard stories of rituals, human sacrificies, and so on, they probably happend at some point.




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I have friends in BC, who were born in cults. Trust me, if you go to deep in some tunnels, not the steam tunnels, you may not come back, and indeed many have not.



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Im a paranormal researcher. Im saying when we find the dark force tunnels, if your not scared enough we will need weapons, just in case.







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yeah those are my beliefs. So what, i woudlnt be forcing them on you if you didnt flame my posts. I was merely adding to other rumors and putting out theories to others who were questining about satanic influence and secret tunnels.

The reason why i need to post this far out stuff is only to rebuddle your weak arguments. Anyways guys, its been a blast, but im done agruieng with you guys. Obviously you dont understand that the entire world does not think like you, and you dont respect others opinions.

Your forgetting important things that my ramblings are not the only collaberating evidence to the more occult stuff.

Anyways, consider me done publicly with this stuff, i still will post but im not gona argue with people anymore. Ill stop posting my far out theories and try to stay mundane.

Infact i even apologize posting weird theories, information like that is not easily digested or believed.

So lets Ax satanic tunnels and call them secret tunnels. you guys notably jester and kowalski leave my posts alone and i leave yours alone. No post picking




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I still don't think we have evidence of secret tunnels underneath victoria. I do believe there are tunnels. These coal shutes and storage rooms show up on the maps, right? This guy at the store flat out admitted that the tunnels exist, right?

They're not secret!

If 'secret' tunnels do exist, they were likely used for smuggling, not for dark arts.




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There are no secret tunnels.

The only secret tunnel is a tunnel dug by one person, who is never detected while he digs his or her tunnel, whos tunnel goes undetected once built, and who then tells no one.

By the very nature of secret, once we know about them they will simply become, obscure and hard to confirm tunnels. Or perhaps, Tunnels very few people know about. Or, tunnels that have been talked about but no one knows anyone directly who can bring you to them.

Just to clarify

Anyone following the news will be aware that there are 21 tunnels crossing the american border. Secret? nope. almost all of them were revealed by a process called fleuring where you use infrared imaging to detect temperature differences in the soil. A hollow tunnel generally leaves a thermal impression when viewed from high above.





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Tunnels very few people know about
are secret tunnels. In my consideration.

I also consider walkable drains tunnels. Anyone disagree?



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