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< Reply # 540 on 1/24/2006 11:19 PM >
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any online links to maps of ross bay outflow? And please anyone with maps send them to me at [email removed] wich subject vic maps

That would be really helpful, i dont know how to find local resources for victoria.

or tell me what spot ross outflow is on a map thanks



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< Reply # 541 on 1/24/2006 11:28 PM >
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Did you used to live here? or know someone who lives here? or are planning on moving here? any relatives here? Whats your connection to the Garden City mavrix? You seeing the maps which some of us have access to and have examined thoroughly in no way will work to our benefit as a community.




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< Reply # 542 on 1/24/2006 11:30 PM >
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Try scowering your own city, at least for now. I'm sure there are some interesting spots there you could check out. Post some info on em' in a new thread. I really am interested in what you might find in your own city. I'm not being sarcastic.




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< Reply # 543 on 1/24/2006 11:42 PM >
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J Peterman,

great pictures and leads!

Well you see, my only connection to the tunnels is one of paranormal interest.

I dont go looking for tunnels, I look for mysteries, paranormal monsters, secret caves, bases and occultic secret covens


the closest leads i have are in toronto. I had some results, or clues no evidence though.


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< Reply # 544 on 1/25/2006 1:02 AM >
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Thanks Nobody, its interesting. You see now you were able to obtain more information about that tunnel.

Well no, now the story changed to something not a tunnel, making the source less credible. Then it turns out the geography doesn't make sense (like a lot of your "leads").

Anyhow, now we have a possibility of a cave. Thats what ive been talking about and that is very interesting. Because i showed ther are many caves and deep ones in the area. Its well known (to me atleast) that caves sometimes connect to old sewers, tunnels, etc and mines.

No, you pointed us to a list of caves in the northern part of Vancouver Island, a day's drive from Victoria, because you make no attempt to correlate your "findings" with geography and geology. Vancouver Island is an island in a very different sense than the island of Montreal is an island. Vancouver Island encompasses several different zones of climate and ecology and a range of geology.

You have yet to provide a shred of evidence that there exist significant caves under southern Vancouver Island or Victoria proper. If the conditions existed for there to be secret ones, one would certainly expect that there'd be a publicly-known one too, especially given Victoria's talent for developing tourist traps. I think that there's a good reason that all the caves on your list were up island, and that's that the bedrock underneath Victoria isn't karstic enough for caves to exist there.




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< Reply # 545 on 1/25/2006 1:11 AM >
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Yup kowalski, You might be right about that. But guess what...

I might be right as well ciao




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< Reply # 546 on 1/25/2006 4:54 AM >
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Thats umpossible. Anything *North* of *the* or *any* Ross Bay outflow is on land.

I'm looking at my maps here and it shows only 3 outflows around Ross Bay which protrude into the water. The rest are just along that wall off of Dallar Road. And arent walkable.


Depends on how accurate she is with her directions... For instance, she could have meant north east. There is the old Todd house, and the rumored tunnels beneath it that supposedly go to the ocean, and perhaps to some. Which would sort of match with her second claim. But not at all with the first. It sounds like she is combining two stories:

a). The story about the tunnels beneath Ross Bay cemetery (which actually do exist, but aren't necessarily as extensive or as full as satanists as they might be rumored to be)

b). The rumor about the Todd house, and the tunnels beneath it, that connect to some cavern and to the ocean.

Oh wait, she mentioned James Bay too. Seems to have covered all of the coastlines anywhere close to Victoria. Could you try showing her a map of Victoria and get her to point to the general area that she is talking about? I would also love to find some octopi.




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You have yet to provide a shred of evidence that there exist significant caves under southern Vancouver Island or Victoria proper. If the conditions existed for there to be secret ones, one would certainly expect that there'd be a publicly-known one too, especially given Victoria's talent for developing tourist traps. I think that there's a good reason that all the caves on your list were up island, and that's that the bedrock underneath Victoria isn't karstic enough for caves to exist there.


Well, there is a little tunnel up by Mung road. It isn't very big or long, and would technically be in Saanich not Victoria, but it is a natural cave and isn't that far away.

Just thought I'd fan the flames a bit...

But in general I think that kowalski's characterization of Victoria geology is pretty accurate. I'll check up on it, I've got a couple geology friends out here.




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That Todd house story is pretty nifty. I wonder if the current owners allow investigators into their home. They have a big website all about it. I bet they charge admission!




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Tanuki, thanks for heating things up.

i dont understand what you mean by tunnel and cave, perhaps its a cave tunnel. Anyhow so ther can be natural caves around ther since ther is one.

Surekill, that todd house story is weird, its probably connected to some stories. Obviously ther hidden tunnels, ther going to be connected and or talked about and mistaken for others things.






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< Reply # 550 on 1/25/2006 6:37 AM >
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found this on the tod house

One day in 1952, Col. Evans was installing an oil furnace. He hired workmen to dig a hole in the yard to place the storage tank. After digging about 7 feet deep, one of the workmen made an unusual discovery. Though badly deteriorated, there was no mistaking he had uncovered skeletal remains. The Colonel asked the workman to finish digging up the bones, but they demanded an exorbitant amount of money to finish. The Colonel ended up excavating the skeleton himself. The remains were human, but the head was missing. The Colonel had the skeleton examined by an anatomist who believed the body to be that of an Oriental or First Nations Woman. He believed the bones had been encased in quick lime to dissolve them.


dun don daaww..




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John Tod was involved in smuggling. Or at least is thought to have been involved. The "tunnels" were apparently used for this and constructed by privately hired workers and John Tod himself.

These are the plans for the main floor and cellar. Anyone have any speculations of what those 2 circles on the cellar plan are? Or can identify more clearly any other markings on the cellar map?



Pictures courtesy of-> http://collections...c.ca/tod/index.htm




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Victoria. Could you try showing her a map of Victoria and get her to point to the general area that she is talking about? I would also love to find some octopi.


I will do it today and see what she has to say. N.




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found this on the tod house

One day in 1952, Col. Evans was installing an oil furnace. He hired workmen to dig a hole in the yard to place the storage tank. After digging about 7 feet deep, one of the workmen made an unusual discovery. Though badly deteriorated, there was no mistaking he had uncovered skeletal remains. The Colonel asked the workman to finish digging up the bones, but they demanded an exorbitant amount of money to finish. The Colonel ended up excavating the skeleton himself. The remains were human, but the head was missing. The Colonel had the skeleton examined by an anatomist who believed the body to be that of an Oriental or First Nations Woman. He believed the bones had been encased in quick lime to dissolve them.


dun don daaww..


Do you realize just how many murders take place, especially against women ? Especially in that time period where women were treated with lesser status and respect. You'd more likely build a case for some jerk that couldn't get it up, blamed the woman he was with for it and killed her in rage, rather than a satanic cult killing...




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relax i never said this was a satanic killing, anyways just because i might believe in that doesnt mean thats the only thing im looking for.


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Do you realize just how many murders take place, especially against women ? Especially in that time period where women were treated with lesser status and respect. You'd more likely build a case for some jerk that couldn't get it up, blamed the woman he was with for it and killed her in rage, rather than a satanic cult killing...


Agreed...though that's a pretty Satanic excuse for killing anyone.




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I just posted that stuff to add the mystery everyone seems to enjoy about this thread

it could be slightly connected however, i wouldnt be surprised if its not at all.




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She's an 18 year old meth addict, and she's covered in scabs, and her teeth are brown, and she cried a couple of times, and she lost her dog, and she's been panhandling outside a local Starbucks, but no one has given her any money.

She got high in a tunnel near a very expensive restaurant near Chinatown in Victoria.

She doesn't remember how she got in, or why they decided to go there instead of their usual place, but it seemed like a good idea at the time and now she can't shake the sound of screaming babies from her head, and she's pretty sure that if you go to this place at night, you can find your way throughout the whole of Chinatown and even into Oldtown, because the guy she was with that night knows everything about the city, but he took off after a bench warrant was issued, and she thinks he has her dog.

She was there three days ago. It's a manhole in the sidewalk, and it's under a streetlamp, so already I think that maybe she's suffering some psychosis, because I know that the restaurant is usually quite busy, so people would have watched her go into the sidewalk with the guy and maybe her dog. It wouldn't have looked right, from their perspective, this young woman obviously in distress, and her dog and that guy...why on Earth would they go into a manhole, anyway?

But she looked me in the eye and begged me to believe her.

And then she said, "There's a cult in this city that kills people."

So I checked out this manhole, and there's a bit of wear in the concrete around the rim and it looks like maybe the manhole cover was popped off the hole and dragged to one side. And when I press my ear to the little holes, I can hear rushing water. I could also hear a high-pitched whine and what sounded like a barking dog.

I gave her five bucks because she wanted a coffee and a bagel, and she promised to draw me a map, even though she said she couldn't remember too many details, except for the sound of screaming and a dull yellow light coming from around a corner in this tunnel and there were moving shadows and she thought that she saw someone looking around a corner at them as they got high.

I gave her a disposable camera and asked her to take some pictures of this place, and that I'll give her $50 if she brings the camera back in good shape.

"I won't lose it," she said. "I'll take some pictures for you. Promise?"

"Fifty dollars for the camera after all the pictures have been shot. No fucking around. I want to see that tunnel."

"Promise."



So I spoke with a guy who runs a business in one of the buildings near this spot
...it's a furniture place...nice stuff...a bit pricey, but anyhoo...the guy tells me that there is, in fact, a tunnel (rather, former coal shute) that runs underground from one end of the building to the next. All underground. About 100+ feet long, and that it is part of the original structure, dating back to the mid 1880's.

The building owners have used it for running new plumbing and wiring over the last few years, but it's intact and has old odds and ends from when the building housed a gambling/casino-type thing at the turn of the last century. Also, he told me that the building next to his was once a bordello, and that it has some interesting spaces accessed from the basement that lead to narrow passageways and into little rooms. Likely, these rooms were part of the bordello operations whereby working ladies would take their customers...er, to conduct business.

Sounds suspiciously like those underground apartments I'd heard about earlier.

Furniture business guy tells me that he's been in that location for 30+ years, and that when he first set up, the interior was pretty much as it had been during the heyday, circa 1890's. He discovered many odd little doors, many interesting little features that were never adequately explained. He wouldn't elaborate (a customer had just walked in), but he gave me his card and promised me a peek inside the old shute, which, he added, is accessible only through his store, as all the other access points had been sealed, save for one that was on Harald St, at sidewalk level.

So I go out to look for this access point, and sure enough, it's where I looked way back when the meth chick told me her story.




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Well I'd say that pretty much solidifies the coal chute tunnel claims. So there's that one KK just mentioned, plus one can clearly see from the pictures the sidewalk infront of Steamers is hollow underneath. The entrance I drilled into on Johnson had been filled in yet there is a coal chute next door to that location that is still hollow. You can hear it as people walk over it. That tatoo parlour talked about earlier also had a tunnel along the front. Plus we have those greatmaps posted earlier that clearly show these tunnels. Gorbalskorp, do you have similar maps of Store St you could post?

I'd say that most owners have probably sealed off their sections of these tunnels and either use them for storage or filled them in to prevent access from the sidewalk. Obviously some still exist intact. Neat!




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yeah cool follow up Kubla. Well it seems we have a bunch of different types of tunnels used for many things. Secret rooms, tunnels, coal shutes, tunnels connected between stores and streets, secret housing for immigrants or the poor or whatever.

If thers so many legit and non legit tunnels, ther could be alot more used privately. One of my arguments.. Kawalski.. was that these tunnels could and probably are being used or have been used in the past privately and secretly.

People arent stupid, whoever filled up and sealed these entrances its possible the sealed off the good ones, or the big ones or secret ones who knows.

And remember your not going to find these secret tunnels in the coal shutes, but for example it could be an old coal shute that is blocked off. Or, a coal shut or other tunnel leads into other secret rooms or areas to be used for anything including religious and criminal activity.





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