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UER Forum > Private Boards Index > Section One Extreme UE and SPY talk > RF Whats a better deception? (Viewed 1137 times)
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RF Whats a better deception?
< on 12/21/2004 5:15 AM >
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1. A complete lie that is so astounding its believable?

2. A lie that is so truthful it could possibly happen, but isnt the truth?

What would you more likely believe?

1. The cops have talked to every other cop and now there is a investigation into UE, AV, Jester and many of the US based U Explorers into treason, and espionage?

2. The UE community is being looked at as candidates for special intelligence gathers. Such as people being trained to do/spy on industrial complexes for there government, because of there prior experience.

I dont think either are happening, however I can almost believe that some nut job in some gov agency would think thats a good idea.

Maybe some other examples, and a explanation on what you believe would be the best deception. If you have historical deceptions you would like to comment on etc.

PS No current politics as a example please.




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Re: RF Whats a better deception?
< Reply # 1 on 12/21/2004 9:37 PM >
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id have to say truthful lies are better .. but you have to belive your lie whole heartedly ... to you the lie has to be the truth




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Re: RF Whats a better deception?
< Reply # 2 on 12/21/2004 10:55 PM >
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Re: RF Whats a better deception?
< Reply # 3 on 4/15/2005 8:42 PM >
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I agree with Jester. I lie works best if you can almost convince yourself it's true.




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< Reply # 4 on 6/16/2005 8:58 PM >
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Haveing some half truths can go a long way in makeing a lie more believable.




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Re: RF Whats a better deception?
< Reply # 5 on 8/9/2005 2:56 PM >
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What's that saying? The best lies are 2/3 truth?

Include details the listener knows to be true and they generally assume the new details are also true.

And Jester's absolutely right, if you can buy into it wholeheartedly when you're telling it, it's much easier to sell to others.

It helps to be aware of some of the universal body language cues associated with deception (oh anthropology degree, who knew you'd be so useful?). 99% of people, no matter where they are born and raised, will do the following (due to neuro-anatomy):

When trying to recall details of an actual story they will look up and to the right.

When trying to make up details of a fallacious story they will look up and to the left.

We can't help it, it has to do with how our brains are wired. Our eyes are really just an extension of the brain, and thus respond to different brain functions in a hard-wired manner. Little cues like this, that people are totally unaware of on a conscious level, often tie into whether they find you believable or not.

You can either consciously steer your eyes right, or you can create your story ahead of time and work on recalling it so your eyes respond as if remembering actual events. Either way, the questioner is more inclined to believe you without ever knowing or understanding why you seem trustworthy.




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Actually the most important thing when telling a lie, is understanding the truth. To convincingly lie you have to fully understand what makes the truth convincing.

When someone truthfully answers a question, there's not likely to be a big rambling bunch of facts involved.

Have someone you know, ask you a question, and answer totally truthfully. Your answer will almost always be; short and direct with no extra details thrown in.

Have the person ask you a question, and lie, trying to make them believe it. The answer will very often be longer, with *supporting details* added in to try to add legitimacy. It's sort of instinctive to try to do that, but it actually makes your answer go farther away from the typical type of response.

A person telling the truth does not feel he need to support his answer, because it's the truth. He'll give facts if questioned about the original answer, but doesn't push the extra info out in the first place.




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Canada Customs has a philosophy they operate by, "A lie is only three questions deep" They believe that by asking three questions related to what ever story they are hearing they can ascertain whether it is legit. This is how they deal with high volumes of traffic at customs check points and still nab people. It is an important consideration when telling a lie, can it stand up to scrutiny? Kiss, Keep it simple stupid... T.L.




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