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Location: Chicago, Illinois Total Likes: 129 likes
"Adventure is out there"- Charles Muntz
| | | Re: Suggestions for scaling walls < Reply # 12 on 3/9/2020 11:30 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by AdventureDan Rope and a harness is not illegal ANYWHERE lol. It is however burdensome and attention drawing. If you were caught with it after or before said scaling activity, you can just say you are an avid mountain climber practicing hiking with all your gear weight, a practice I actually do frequently now. Now that being said, it's not exactly easy to be sneaky with 40 lbs of rope on your back. Also the most glaring issue with this plot is that rope doesn't actually help you climb lol. It's for descending or arresting your fall. You have to have access to the top of whatever your climbing in the first place to tie the rope up anyways, so it's not exactly beneficial for first ascents in an urban setting. Rope can be climbed with much effort for short distances, or ascended technically using technical knots and your harness, but it's extremely slow and strenuous. While rope definitely has it's place for DESCENDING in Urbex, I can't think of any application where it would be useful going UP.
| Haha yeah true. I've done climbing with rope a few times although not an intense climb. And yes it is very strenuous even from the little I did. In my free time, I sometimes do a lot of rock climbing at my gym. Not that it will be very beneficial for this or anything lol If ascending does take that long, it might not be worth it in an area where cops patrol around. I usually go very early in the morning. SUNDAY morning that is. So there's hardly any patrol around at that time. But still, it is risky. But dammit I do want to try it despite the inconvenience lol.
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| AdventureDan
Location: Texas Gender: Male Total Likes: 369 likes
I'm here to make wavy eyebrows and climb on stuff
| | | | Re: Suggestions for scaling walls < Reply # 14 on 3/10/2020 1:49 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Howie Dunnet I am not sure about trusting a rope that I did not personally anchor. If you could at least check the anchor with a drone, it might give you some confidence perhaps. I would prepare a rope with knots and a grappling hook. I saw some pretty inexpensive ones for sale, which is handy in case you need to leave it behind. Test it with your weight in a safe area before you go. Also, climbing a rope is not exactly easy if you have never done it, even with knotted increments. It's a workout physically. You will want some gloves. You had better learn or know how to tie a Figure 8, Bowline, Square, and a butterfly knot at minimum with half-hitches.
| As cool as a grappling hook sounds, and as tempted as I once was to buying one, I did a little research on the actual practicality and reliability of grappling hooks before making the purchase, and upon further thought, I decided I will never use one and suggest the same for anyone else. As proven as grappling hooks are for being a feasible ascending method, remember that historically the only time they have ever been used is during medieval war times and otherwise primitive sieges. Now put yourself in those peoples shoes. The idea of falling off a 30 foot wall to a crippling death, isn't that bad if you are in the middle of a siege where you are likely to get shot by arrows at any moment anyways. As far as I could find, grappling hooks have never been used in modern applications where death is not an imminent probability. And here is why: you are literally trusting your life to a piece of metal that you throw blindly over an edge and HOPE it catches on something reliable. Now lets say you throw it over and pull a few yanks and it feels solid. You have no idea if what feels "solid" is actually just the hook on a 1/4 inch edge. Now imagine as you start hefting yourself up the rope, it shifts even a degree. Also remember that as you top out, your direction of force on that hook is going to change drastically. What was a solid catch at the bottom is now sliding up right as you reach the top. Now you are falling not only to the ground but with a deadly pointed metal hook flailing towards you. Just some food for thought. And again. I was this close to buying one for a particular roof. I found another way.
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| Howie Dunnet
Location: DMV Gender: Male Total Likes: 116 likes
Avoid attention and get lost in plain sight.
| | | Re: Suggestions for scaling walls < Reply # 15 on 3/10/2020 3:16 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by AdventureDan
As cool as a grappling hook sounds, and as tempted as I once was to buying one, I did a little research on the actual practicality and reliability of grappling hooks before making the purchase, and upon further thought, I decided I will never use one and suggest the same for anyone else. As proven as grappling hooks are for being a feasible ascending method, remember that historically the only time they have ever been used is during medieval war times and otherwise primitive sieges. Now put yourself in those peoples shoes. The idea of falling off a 30 foot wall to a crippling death, isn't that bad if you are in the middle of a siege where you are likely to get shot by arrows at any moment anyways. As far as I could find, grappling hooks have never been used in modern applications where death is not an imminent probability. And here is why: you are literally trusting your life to a piece of metal that you throw blindly over an edge and HOPE it catches on something reliable. Now lets say you throw it over and pull a few yanks and it feels solid. You have no idea if what feels "solid" is actually just the hook on a 1/4 inch edge. Now imagine as you start hefting yourself up the rope, it shifts even a degree. Also remember that as you top out, your direction of force on that hook is going to change drastically. What was a solid catch at the bottom is now sliding up right as you reach the top. Now you are falling not only to the ground but with a deadly pointed metal hook flailing towards you. Just some food for thought. And again. I was this close to buying one for a particular roof. I found another way.
| I agree with what you've stated, but we actually used them in the military to scale walls during urban combat scenarios as per standard operating procedures. I never fully trusted them, however.
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