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Sounds like you've got a great plan already then. I'll look forward to pics


Its not as cavalier & expensive as your plan but if it takes care of the woodchucks (goundhogs/gophers) I'll be happy & if its in better shape after i get done with it, i could get a few bucks for it also. It won't take anything out your way except for tarmagin?? (Its a bird, i just dont know how it spell it) and some rabbits




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I thing wrong with it though.

Up here it'll be ptarmigan, grouse (whole variety), rabbits, and smaller furbearers if I still did that. One unit lets you use them for caribou, but it's practically paddle up to them at this river crossing and pop me in the head from 10'. Mostly subsistence hunt for the natives.




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Now that I think of it, thats all the more reason for you to get an AR. 2 uppers, 1 in 22lr & 1 in 300 blackout or 6.5, 7.62x39, etc. The ar has a lot of tasty flavors & as long as its not a 308 or larger or a pistol caliber then its the same lower as far as i know, i know 300 aac/blackout is the same lower, bcg & mag but i cant swear by the others




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Now that I think of it, thats all the more reason for you to get an AR. 2 uppers, 1 in 22lr & 1 in 300 blackout or 6.5, 7.62x39, etc. The ar has a lot of tasty flavors & as long as its not a 308 or larger or a pistol caliber then its the same lower as far as i know, i know 300 aac/blackout is the same lower, bcg & mag but i cant swear by the others



For shorter range stuff (50-75 yards) you can just get a .22 conversion to shoot 22lr out of your 5.56 barrel. At those ranges it's still plenty accurate despite having that 0.001 diameter difference, and is perfectly safe. Tons of those conversions on the market, and lots of ways to sexy them up as well.

Barring that, hands down look at the lightweight uppers by Tactical Solutions. They'll run around $500 or so but shoot amazing. They also run the standard Black Dog style magazines like most conversion kits.

If I had to choose, I personally would go with a 5.56 upper with 22 conversion bolt, and a longer barreled one in 6.5 Grendel. Just make sure to get one with the right chamber otherwise ammo gets iffy. There are a few variations of chamber, like 6.8 SPC, I, and spec II. BUT 80% ish the power of a .308 in hardly more recoil than 5.56. Amazing round that I absolutely love. Plus you can get cheap steel case for it.

x39 are a lot iffier and damn picky about mags. 300aac is basically x39 with supersonic rounds though.

Compatibility wise, 300 aac is really the only one that is just a barrel swap though. Other than the .22 drop in kits.

ar15.com is an amazing resource if you are looking to go that way though. Plus there are a ton of industry folks on there in case you have questions.




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For shorter range stuff (50-75 yards) you can just get a .22 conversion to shoot 22lr out of your 5.56 barrel. At those ranges it's still plenty accurate despite having that 0.001 diameter difference, and is perfectly safe. Tons of those conversions on the market, and lots of ways to sexy them up as well.

Barring that, hands down look at the lightweight uppers by Tactical Solutions. They'll run around $500 or so but shoot amazing. They also run the standard Black Dog style magazines like most conversion kits.

If I had to choose, I personally would go with a 5.56 upper with 22 conversion bolt, and a longer barreled one in 6.5 Grendel. Just make sure to get one with the right chamber otherwise ammo gets iffy. There are a few variations of chamber, like 6.8 SPC, I, and spec II. BUT 80% ish the power of a .308 in hardly more recoil than 5.56. Amazing round that I absolutely love. Plus you can get cheap steel case for it.

x39 are a lot iffier and damn picky about mags. 300aac is basically x39 with supersonic rounds though.

Compatibility wise, 300 aac is really the only one that is just a barrel swap though. Other than the .22 drop in kits.

ar15.com is an amazing resource if you are looking to go that way though. Plus there are a ton of industry folks on there in case you have questions.


If I were to get a 22LR conversion kit I'd probably do just that, but having a ready to go upper would be more convenient but also more costly. It's basically a standard upper so any mods or tacti-cool crap will bolt right on, AR's really are Barbies for men lol

The Grendel is a great round, at least from what I've read on arf com & arq5 forum/s dot com but I don't know if it's for me right now. In PA semi is still outlawed for hunting except for some pest species. Right now, to keep costs down, I'll probably stick with 270, 30-06 or 308. PA is kind of the exact opposite of Alaska (at least the parts of Alaska I've seen on TV lol). Most hunting here is relative short range unless you go into the mountains whereas Alaska is open tundra, at least from what I've seen.

X39 is a bit picky in the AR platform but one it's tuned it's a hard hitting cheap round and unlike 308 (7.62x52) you can bolt a x39 upper onto a standard lower with the RIGHT MAGS. 300 Blackout/AAC fills the gap between x39 and 308. From what I've read on arf com & ar15 forums dot com, the 300 will run subs & supers from a pistol length gas system without any problems on a standard gas block, they get pickier with carbine length systems shooting supersonics. Subs with a can will run beautifully though

I am a member on ar15 dot com and ar15 forums dot com. Both sites are a wealth of information and that's where I got a lot of my information and why I went with a PSA upper (standard 223 wylde 1in9 twist with a MOE handguard) and I can't remember the brand name of the bcg & ch but it's a military contractor so it should be good for a few thousand rounds. Once I saw they were a contractor & the price was right I jumped on it, if it can stand up to active duty, I think it'll survive the range and being thrown around in my trunk




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*tosses you a beer*

Time to blade at 45 then? ;)




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Didnt quite get that reference, ive been more active on pafoa dot org lately looking into hunting info & the best way to deal with woodchucks asides from letting my dogs go after them in spring




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arfcom meme lol been there since ~08




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Took me a minute to find the original post but I got it. WTH was the Rent A Cop thinking? You know a guy is carrying & it's not a little rinky dink 22, why are you going to try to disarm someone especially if you're not trained for it? One of the responders was right, OC isn't a good tactical choice especially in an urban scenario, by you everyone probably OC's because it's Alaska and there are bear and crap everywhere and it's one of the most gun friendly but environmentally unfriendly places in the US. I don't mean the pipeline, that's fine, I mean the subzero temperatures and predators everywhere. If you don't freeze to death you get eaten by a bear or a wolf. I'd love to live there but I'm having a hard enough time with my first PA winter

BTW I got that 22 in the trade along with 500 rounds of 22LR and a 50 round box of 9mm FMJ. It's a Marlin 780 MicroGroove. I have to get a mag for it but otherwise it seems to be in damn good condition for a rifle that was made in the late 80's. I want to re blue the rifle but I haven't ever messed with cold or hot bluing and I don't want to mess it up. Not because it's a rare gun but I just don't want to mess it up. I just want a good little varmint rifle & I know the older Marlin's did have good barrels and were pretty damn accurate for a 22 and should take most small game, can't take a fox or coyote but I'll have a different rifle for that




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Took me a minute to find the original post but I got it. WTH was the Rent A Cop thinking? You know a guy is carrying & it's not a little rinky dink 22, why are you going to try to disarm someone especially if you're not trained for it? One of the responders was right, OC isn't a good tactical choice especially in an urban scenario, by you everyone probably OC's because it's Alaska and there are bear and crap everywhere and it's one of the most gun friendly but environmentally unfriendly places in the US. I don't mean the pipeline, that's fine, I mean the subzero temperatures and predators everywhere. If you don't freeze to death you get eaten by a bear or a wolf. I'd love to live there but I'm having a hard enough time with my first PA winter

BTW I got that 22 in the trade along with 500 rounds of 22LR and a 50 round box of 9mm FMJ. It's a Marlin 780 MicroGroove. I have to get a mag for it but otherwise it seems to be in damn good condition for a rifle that was made in the late 80's. I want to re blue the rifle but I haven't ever messed with cold or hot bluing and I don't want to mess it up. Not because it's a rare gun but I just don't want to mess it up. I just want a good little varmint rifle & I know the older Marlin's did have good barrels and were pretty damn accurate for a 22 and should take most small game, can't take a fox or coyote but I'll have a different rifle for that



Oh man, that thread was the gift that kept on giving. Absolutely nuts lol.

Where I am in Alaska (Fairbanks) is the heaviest armed county in America. It averages out to something like 17 guns per person for here. Constitutional carry for concealed or open makes it really great. When I'm hauling my camera gear around, I'm always carrying a .357 + speed strip or two and a good flashlight, minimum.

But yeah if you are having trouble with PA, you'd die up here lol. We're about to hit 0f and do the sharp drop that follows.

That might be an old gun, but I'd put my money on it being a great shooter. I think those were made till 88/89 or somewhere in there. BUT they shoot pretty damn good.

Honestly rebluing it would cost more than the value of the rifle. I'd look at Birchwood Casey's cold blue. You degrease the part with something like acetone, rinse with distilled water, apply with a rag, and buff with 000/0000 steel wool. Rince and repeat till you get the darkness you like. At least I think that's the instructions I remember. A bottle should run you $15 or less and is damn hard to screw up.

Congrats on the new shooter btw




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Oh man, that thread was the gift that kept on giving. Absolutely nuts lol.

Where I am in Alaska (Fairbanks) is the heaviest armed county in America. It averages out to something like 17 guns per person for here. Constitutional carry for concealed or open makes it really great. When I'm hauling my camera gear around, I'm always carrying a .357 + speed strip or two and a good flashlight, minimum.

But yeah if you are having trouble with PA, you'd die up here lol. We're about to hit 0f and do the sharp drop that follows.

That might be an old gun, but I'd put my money on it being a great shooter. I think those were made till 88/89 or somewhere in there. BUT they shoot pretty damn good.

Honestly rebluing it would cost more than the value of the rifle. I'd look at Birchwood Casey's cold blue. You degrease the part with something like acetone, rinse with distilled water, apply with a rag, and buff with 000/0000 steel wool. Rince and repeat till you get the darkness you like. At least I think that's the instructions I remember. A bottle should run you $15 or less and is damn hard to screw up.

Congrats on the new shooter btw


Fairbanks would be well off if there ever was a zombie apocalypse lol. Or any other complete collapse scenario for that matter

I know it was later 80s because that much I could find online & a lot of people have said that the Marlins are great shooters. One guy I work with would pick off dimes from 10 yards with a Marlin 22

I wasn't going to professionally reblue it, just get it good enough. I'll probably go with the cold blue as you suggested since it's fool proof and readily available.

Now i just need my hunting license & go to the range and sight in the Marlin & my AR. I know i wont get tight groups out of a budget AR but it'll be good enough for what i need it for




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Sounds like you've got a good plan then

And honestly, we're kinda fucked. Even if 1/4 of the borough (county) survived, it would still be ~30k people that all know how to support themselves. That's a good way to over hunt and fish and area till you starve.




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I didnt realize there was that many people up in Fairbanks. But you're talking about 30k people that fend for their lives on a daily basis, you think they would go nuts in the wake of a walker-opolyse? I think they would just shrug their shoulders, say "Meh" and go about their business, just interspersed with a few headshots here & there.

I'm sure you've seen or heard about the show Alaska the Last Frontier about the Kiltchers (i think thats how you spell it), is is pure horse shit or are they as bush as they claim? Some of what they have on the homestead seems a lil too city-fied to me, maybe im just overly critical

Any tips on getting the most bang for the buck out of the marlin? Can they be accurized asides from a trigger job or are they already bug hole ready if i do my part?




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I didnt realize there was that many people up in Fairbanks. But you're talking about 30k people that fend for their lives on a daily basis, you think they would go nuts in the wake of a walker-opolyse? I think they would just shrug their shoulders, say "Meh" and go about their business, just interspersed with a few headshots here & there.

I'm sure you've seen or heard about the show Alaska the Last Frontier about the Kiltchers (i think thats how you spell it), is is pure horse shit or are they as bush as they claim? Some of what they have on the homestead seems a lil too city-fied to me, maybe im just overly critical

Any tips on getting the most bang for the buck out of the marlin? Can they be accurized asides from a trigger job or are they already bug hole ready if i do my part?


The Fairbanks North Star Borough has around ~100k people over ~7,500 square miles. Most people up here fish and hut so it would be chaos after a while lol.

And those people are around ~10 miles from the city of Homer, pop ~5k or so. Couple hours from Anchorage, the biggest city in the state though, so it's by no means "bush living." Don't even get me started on those "Alaska Bush People" fuckers.

As for the rifle, give it a good deep clean, scrub probably a decade worth of lead out of the barrel, and shoot it. If you hate the trigger, Rifle Basix and Jard should both make better ones for less than $100. Fairly simple to put in so long as you know what end of a screwdriver to use.

Speaking of screwdrivers, also check to make sure the stock/action screws are snug. Don't crank on them, you'll crack the stock, but just make sure they aren't loose.

Beyond that, if you don't like the irons, spend $150 or so and get a Nikon Prostaff Rimfire in tip off rings and you'll be set. I don't think those receivers are tapped for weaver bases, so you'll have to run with the 3/8 dovetail tip off rings. Solid but not as heavy duty as weaver.




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But I've used one of those prostaff rimfire scopes for years. Built in BDC for 50 to 150 yards and you zero with your chosen ammo. Go onto the nikon site and use their calculator and pick ammo to find out if you need to change the distances. It'll give you all that data if you do though.




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The Fairbanks North Star Borough has around ~100k people over ~7,500 square miles. Most people up here fish and hut so it would be chaos after a while lol.

And those people are around ~10 miles from the city of Homer, pop ~5k or so. Couple hours from Anchorage, the biggest city in the state though, so it's by no means "bush living." Don't even get me started on those "Alaska Bush People" fuckers.

As for the rifle, give it a good deep clean, scrub probably a decade worth of lead out of the barrel, and shoot it. If you hate the trigger, Rifle Basix and Jard should both make better ones for less than $100. Fairly simple to put in so long as you know what end of a screwdriver to use.

Speaking of screwdrivers, also check to make sure the stock/action screws are snug. Don't crank on them, you'll crack the stock, but just make sure they aren't loose.

Beyond that, if you don't like the irons, spend $150 or so and get a Nikon Prostaff Rimfire in tip off rings and you'll be set. I don't think those receivers are tapped for weaver bases, so you'll have to run with the 3/8 dovetail tip off rings. Solid but not as heavy duty as weaver.


After a while it would go to shit whereas here in the lower 48 it would go to shit real quick, the vegans can't go out into the field and pick organic grain free, gluten free tofu so they'd be screwed and a lot of meat eaters don't know where to source meat other than at the grocery store and once they're sold out/looted they'd be fucked too. At least up there people know how to go get their own food, there's nothing fresher than an animal you just killed & gutted. Thank God I have and know how to use a gun, well several guns now & I'm only going to add more

First thing I did with the Marlin was pull the bolt out and go nuts with the CLP then I lubed it with RemOil and ran some CLP through the barrel as well, first with the brush then a cotton swab. The trigger isn't as horrible as some of the one's I've read about, it's a manageable pull and worst case scenario, there's the Pentel trick.

The action screw was loose when I received the rifle but I took the stock off when I cleaned the action and now it's nice & tight. I didn't use excessive force to tighten it, I just used my Gerber multi-tool which I use for a lot of things around the house and on the job (I'm a mechanic). Only thing I don't like is the mag, it takes a little doing to get it set properly but once it's in, it's in and it does strip a round from the mag without trouble

I don't know if I can justify putting that much glass on this rifle. I know the Nikon's are good but I think I can figure out drop just by sighting in at 25-50 yards and then moving over to the 100 yard range, there's no 150 but there's a 200 which I think is a little too much for the lowly .22. I know I could get a round on paper with a little holdover, but what's the point? It won't have much energy at that distance. I have a 4x32 scope that came with my springer (Ruger Black Hawk Elite Pellet Rifle) which has a lot more kick than a .22 and has held zero pretty well and has dovetail rings. I also have a 6-24x50 mil dot scope that would be great for varmints but it has Weaver Rings.

I used to peg pigeons with iron sights on a .177 pellet pistol out ot 15 yards so I should be ok with iron sights on rodents out to 25 yards or more depending on whether it's a chuck, rabbit or a squirrel

I know they have Weaver bases for these Marlins but most of them still use the dovetail as a base. I'll try and Google a different base but I might be limited here. This is the old style 780, if the new style is drilled & tapped I can see if the actions are interchangeable and reasonably priced but if it's serialized then there's that pesky FFL charge again




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The Prostaff Rimfire is only $100-125 these days, so I was wrong about the price. But I can understand not wanting to put that much into it.

Sounds like you got a good thing going with the .22 though.

Not much in the way of progress on my rifle lately. Got the custom shims I needed in yesterday, and 10 minutes later it felt like a whole new rifle. I added a 0.0030" shim inside the 2 part bolt body to tighten the lockup, and a 0.0020" shim on the side of the trigger to clean up a tiny amount of side to side wobble.

Traded some photography work to one of the dealers that does ceracoat work, so once I get the SBR paperwork done, it's off to get cut and coated.

Still need to buy the stock, pillar and glass bed it, get a scope, suppressor, etc. Fuck me lol




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