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 meganb
    
Location: Indiana
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< on 8/16/2004 3:17 AM >
|  | | | I'm just tossing out these questions and was looking for people's thoughts on it. They're just a thoughts that occurred to me, and I am curious to find out what other explorers think. My questions are these...
1.) In exploring a place, can you go back and look at it the way you did when you first set eyes on it?
2.) Can you ever perceive a place you've explored from John Q. Public's perspective?
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3.) Do you think that exploring a place permanently changes your perception of it?
My answers...
1.) I can vaguely recall first setting eyes on a place visually, but emotionally, I can remember the eagerness I felt to explore it.
2.) I see an abandoned building as a wonderland to be be explored and documented and "non-explorers" probably just ignore it, imagine the worst of it, want it torn down or barely give it any thought at all.
3.) Yes, I think that exploring a place permanently changes my perception of it. It also makes me forget the way I saw it before.
Like, I said, I am just curious! Thanks!
~M
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<Reply # 1 on 8/16/2004 3:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by meganb
1.) In exploring a place, can you go back and look at it the way you did when you first set eyes on it?
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It depends on the place. Sometimes it looks the same, sometimes I can see or at least seem to see more details because I've explored it.
2.) Can you ever perceive a place you've explored from John Q. Public's perspective?
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I do this occasionally, it's interesting to try and see how a non-explorer would percieve certain features of the building. While I'm looking at potential entrances, routes through a structure, connections between spaces, etc, someone else is probably only seeing the exterior architecture, maybe some grafitti, and possibly wishing such an eyesore were gone.
3.) Do you think that exploring a place permanently changes your perception of it?
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Definitely. The potential for finding unknown things changes after each exploration, the way I look at items and structures changes as I come to realize their purpose or use, and my ideas of the interior layout and scenes change significantly. When I look at a place after having explored it I usually see it more in terms of favorite areas, unexplored sections, best ways to reach areas of interest, etc.
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<Reply # 2 on 8/16/2004 3:52 AM >
| | | | ill answer your question about looking at a place from john q perspective, i as a lot of people know, have explored the olympic stadium in montreal from every angle. i used to think of it as huge and mysterious, now that i have seen every angle its still huge but no more mystery, its hard to explain but my perspective has radically changed about the place
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<Reply # 3 on 8/16/2004 5:32 AM >
|  | | | Posted by exposfan
i used to think of it as huge and mysterious, now that i have seen every angle its still huge but no more mystery, its hard to explain but my perspective has radically changed about the place
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So true. I worked in the Mall of America for eight years. Some see it as a wonderful, magical place, a monument to the American spirit, a crowning accomplishment of what our great contry can do. Some see it as the crowning glory of western capitalism, good or bad. Some see it as an architectural triumph, a masterpiece of urban planning and design (virtually nothing about it's design is "accidental" or "coincidental" - every part of it's design was done for a reason, usually to subtly manipulate).
Having been everywhere in that building, from the loading dock and basement tunnels, through the miles of back hallways, through most every back stairway, and on the roof; having seen the rust, having smelled the recycling rooms and garbage chutes (not a pleasant experience, by the way), having seen the mice and rats and bats, and the flocks of starlings that live in the tunnels; having witnessed one accidental death, one suicide, one shooting, one stabbing, and numerous drunken altercations there; having been there when the Mall was locked down and SWAT teams combed the building for a wanted killer, and having been there, very briefly, on the morning of 11 September 2001, before being ordered to evacuate by a panicky police officer... I see the place a lot differently than tourists.
Experience changes perception. That's the point I'm trying to make. Some see a trendy clothing store on the north side, first floor, and think of fashion bargains; I think of the narrow back hallway, where I witnessed a UPS driver try to assault an RPS driver who was half his size; she won decisively. You see the transit station and easy access to downtown and the airport; I see the bathroom where a BPD officer was shot and wounded by a drug dealer, and where literally dozens of police vehicles were parked when the mall was locked down and the manhunt was on that one day.
It's the same for abandoned buildings. Some see a crumbling, rusting eyesore; others see a killer view from the roof, only a broken window, dodgy ladder, and sagging floor away.
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<Reply # 4 on 8/16/2004 4:55 PM >
|  | | | Posted by meganb
1.) In exploring a place, can you go back and look at it the way you did when you first set eyes on it?
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Good to see you here, Megan.
I think I can usually remember buildings as I first saw them. In most cases I'm aided by the fact that I write about most of my trips, even if it's just a few short handwritten notes for my own benefit. I think I can remember places that once seemed huge and unknowable but that I now know like the back of my hand, like Union Station; conversely, I can think of a few that once seemed very ordinary to me that I now know are immense worlds of wonder, like Toronto General Hospital.
Posted by meganb
2.) Can you ever perceive a place you've explored from John Q. Public's perspective?
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I doubt it. Have you seen what that guy wears, and what he watches on TV? I think that guy's a little bit retarded.
Posted by meganb
3.) Do you think that exploring a place permanently changes your perception of it?
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Absolutely and irrevocably. It's like having sex with someone. For good or for bad, you'll never see them again without feeling some special extra intimacy.
Ninj
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<Reply # 5 on 8/16/2004 5:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by meganb
I'm just tossing out these questions and was looking for people's thoughts on it. They're just a thoughts that occurred to me, and I am curious to find out what other explorers think. My questions are these...
1.) In exploring a place, can you go back and look at it the way you did when you first set eyes on it?
2.) Can you ever perceive a place you've explored from John Q. Public's perspective?
and
3.) Do you think that exploring a place permanently changes your perception of it?
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1.) Never. When I first saw National Lead, it was a very dramatic moment. It was 2am, a crystal clear, starry, early fall night and very very quiet. That moment is too vivid to ever be replaced.
2.)I'm not sure what this question means. Here's my interpretation of it, but if I am wrong about it, please let me know... I think that exploring someplace that you have walked by a hundred times as a mere pedestrian can be just as interesting. In fact, seeing it first from a pedestrian point of view and then seeing it up close and personal adds to the effect.
3.)Absolutely! Before you explore something (anything!), it is just that, a thing. Explore it, at least in my case, it becomes somehow more personal. Look at the bittersweet moping that has been happening in Montreal at the demise of Jenkins Valve. It needed to go, had to go and is on its way out now.
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<Reply # 6 on 8/16/2004 6:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by meganb
I'm just tossing out these questions and was looking for people's thoughts on it. They're just a thoughts that occurred to me, and I am curious to find out what other explorers think. My questions are these...
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1.) In exploring a place, can you go back and look at it the way you did when you first set eyes on it?
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No. I know the location as I've been to it. Not as I set eye to it at first. But I've allways been guided by people that knew the location - I now have some buildings in mind which I will have to explore on my own - or be the guide to ... Maybe that changes things.
2.) Can you ever perceive a place you've explored from John Q. Public's perspective?
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Yep. We have this restaurant in our village and I walked by it for 2 years without ever realizing it's abandoned. I just realized just 3 days ago that not just their garden was a mess, but the whole building is empty, and now I can't get my mind off entering the place. From now on, I can't see that place disconnected from it abandonement anymore.
3.) Do you think that exploring a place permanently changes your perception of it?
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Sure. There's even one location, I don't dare to go back there because I'm afraid I won't find the spirit that was hanging there. So I'm afraid to re-explore it.
For example the restaurant I'm having in my mind now, I've never been there and I won't know what to find there ... but as it's impossible to forget on purpose, I won't ever get back to the state of mind I'm in now, after I've explored it.
Tijmen
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<Reply # 7 on 8/21/2004 6:19 PM >
| | | | these are some deep philosophical questions...allow me my two cents.
in my thoughts...once you experience ANYTHING, and then return to re-experience, you are looking at it with previous knowledge. much like rereading the same book. the first time took a little longer than the second simply because you had a memory of it, and were able to navigate the words much easier, generally. so it WILL affect the way you look at it the second time. will anything change? i don't know. i'm sure after 30 trips to the same place, the initial apprehension will depart, and a sort of boredom will enter. that, my friend, is change.
you cannot perceive a location from the public's eye after you've been there...because you have the silent satisfaction of having previously walked its floors. the average dude, has not. you will know things about that place the average guy won't. and using different facts on the same issue result in different perceptions.
and exploring a place will forever change your perspective of it. as i stated earlier...hitting the same site, repeatedly, will diminish its awe, appeal, and novelty. this degradation isn't bad per se, but inevitable. in my opinion it is what drives you to further exploration.
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