Posted by TCdrainer And this thread and several others that have been popping up lately personifies precisely why, nowadays, I explore either solo, or with 2 or 3 select people. Actually, I take that back. The Bullshit and the drama which by default, goes along with it has always been there (though it's been getting exponentially worse for the last 4 or so years). It's a shitty catch-22. You can't distance yourself from the drama without also putting distance between yourself and others (a majority of which are in fact awesome human-beings). Essentially, what I'm saying is that the state of affairs around here finally reached the tipping-point for me, as it has for several others.

To be fair, the actual local DRAMA seems to be at an all-time low, lately. Which makes no goddamn sense to me with all the spring flooding and rains keeping us out of half of the underground. (Bullshit on UER doesn't count since I don't think ANY of us takes any of this seriously. AT ALL.)

What's happening is the loose-lips syndrome, where one guy sees/does a cool thing and tells his friends who tell their friends, etc. Sure, you pick up the occasional fringe explorer who's worth a damn, that way, but you also pick up a metric shit-ton of morons and children who are just looking for a new place to get drunk/stoned and smash shit.

The number of active people who don't give a fuck and who don't understand the word "discretion" has been rising exponentially in the past few years because of it. All of this stuff has been here for years, and for the most part we've all been pretty quiet about it.

Then pics start to get out on Facebook and instagram and whatever-the-fuck else and more people - people who used to walk by this shit every day and not even notice it - start smashing their way in instead of looking for the quiet, clever ways in that we've all been happily using for years. They're throwing parties on the roof, doing everything they can to draw attention to themselves (spinning wool on the towers - are you fucking kidding me??) instead of enjoying a relatively quiet night watching the world with some beer/weed, music, and good company.

Everything readily accessible is swarming with assholes who are only there to fuck things up and get fucked up - AND tell all their friends about it. Because if you don't post about it on Facebook and act like you're god's fucking gift to retards, how would everyone know how cool you are? And letting everyone know how cool you are is so VERY important.

And here we are at the original post. (And to be clear, it sounds like sciatica knows where I'm coming from and none of this is directed at him.) Mill Hell, of all goddamn places, is getting locked down and watched by cops/security/locals because it's swarming with jack-asses. Never, in a million years, did I think the mills would ever be inaccessible, or even (legally) risky. That was our babytown frolics, the kind of place you go to cut your teeth or chill out because you want to get up above it all, but are too goddamn lazy to do anything real. The kind of place you go to relax before (or after) the real action. Where you bring the out-of-towners to meet the locals and plan something fun. Or to just sit and drink beer and watch fireworks.

Shit's burning down. We're losing some really fun, old stuff, because people can't be trusted to keep a nice thing to themselves. It's a damned shame.

This... got crazy ranty... I'm old, nothing's as good as it was back in "The Good Old Days."

Get off mah lawn!

Posted by NotBatman And here we are at the original post. (And to be clear, it sounds like sciatica knows where I'm coming from and none of this is directed at him.) Mill Hell, of all goddamn places, is getting locked down and watched by cops/security/locals because it's swarming with jack-asses. Never, in a million years, did I think the mills would ever be inaccessible, or even (legally) risky. That was our babytown frolics, the kind of place you go to cut your teeth or chill out because you want to get up above it all, but are too goddamn lazy to do anything real. The kind of place you go to relax before (or after) the real action. Where you bring the out-of-towners to meet the locals and plan something fun. Or to just sit and drink beer and watch fireworks.

Its funny you say this because that's exactly what I was doing. It had been raining all day and the sun finally began to shine in the evening. Being cooped-up all day I had to get out. This was my "exploration" before the exploration.

I put the word explore in quotations because its only an exploration if there is something to be discovered.

Wait, TC still exists !?

My world needs more NotBatman!!!

Holy shit, we've got a Danarchy sighting!

And TCDrainer, nice to see you, man.

Posted by NotBatman What's happening is the loose-lips syndrome, where one guy sees/does a cool thing and tells his friends who tell their friends, etc. Sure, you pick up the occasional fringe explorer who's worth a damn, that way, but you also pick up a metric shit-ton of morons and children who are just looking for a new place to get drunk/stoned and smash shit. The number of active people who don't give a fuck and who don't understand the word "discretion" has been rising exponentially in the past few years because of it. All of this stuff has been here for years, and for the most part we've all been pretty quiet about it. Then pics start to get out on Facebook and instagram and whatever-the-fuck else and more people - people who used to walk by this shit every day and not even notice it - start smashing their way in instead of looking for the quiet, clever ways in that we've all been happily using for years. They're throwing parties on the roof, doing everything they can to draw attention to themselves (spinning wool on the towers - are you fucking kidding me??) instead of enjoying a relatively quiet night watching the world with some beer/weed, music, and good company. Everything readily accessible is swarming with assholes who are only there to fuck things up and get fucked up - AND tell all their friends about it. Because if you don't post about it on Facebook and act like you're god's fucking gift to retards, how would everyone know how cool you are? And letting everyone know how cool you are is so VERY important. And here we are at the original post. (And to be clear, it sounds like sciatica knows where I'm coming from and none of this is directed at him.) Mill Hell, of all goddamn places, is getting locked down and watched by cops/security/locals because it's swarming with jack-asses. Never, in a million years, did I think the mills would ever be inaccessible, or even (legally) risky. That was our babytown frolics, the kind of place you go to cut your teeth or chill out because you want to get up above it all, but are too goddamn lazy to do anything real. The kind of place you go to relax before (or after) the real action. Where you bring the out-of-towners to meet the locals and plan something fun. Or to just sit and drink beer and watch fireworks.

I love you, NotBatman.

Posted by Clockwork I love you, NotBatman.

Oh, you!

What's funny, especially regarding my "lack of drama" bit, is that I wrote all of that out BEFORE I saw the other shit-show...

Posted by NotBatman Oh, you! What's funny, especially regarding my "lack of drama" bit, is that I wrote all of that out BEFORE I saw the other shit-show...

It's all this flooding. We're experiencing winter style explorer PMS because we can't access our trove of drains. The lack of safe tunnels has made us go crazy over our few remaining abandonments. This will pass, we will all have some beers and eventually we'll all be happy again. This is summer, after all.

Posted by Clockwork It's all this flooding. We're experiencing winter style explorer PMS because we can't access our trove of drains. The lack of safe tunnels has made us go crazy over our few remaining abandonments. This will pass, we will all have some beers and eventually we'll all be happy again. This is summer, after all.

Absolutely.

All part of the seasonal MSPMS.

Posted by Clockwork Holy shit, we've got a Danarchy sighting! And TCDrainer, nice to see you, man. I love you, NotBatman.

Lol, I remember (back in the "Kilroy" days) we created a "Danarchy-sighting log" on KK and Myspace, along with a "Dan D" fan-club which we could never get him to join, ironically, given the fact that he has won multiple MW awards for "most self votes".

And nice to see you too (all of you). It's funny that after making a post regarding my recent disappointment and frustration with the community, that I hear the next monthly meet-up (assuming those are still happening) calling to me. I'm gonna try and make it there, provided it's not in conflict with school. I need to see you guys for real, the UE withdrawals are back (uh oh.)

Also, if you guys are missing the smell of sweet sewers due to the recent flooding and rain and need a safe fix, I have at least 10,000 gallons of FRL backed up into my basement (no joke). I gotta say though, it's not quite as pleasant when it's in your living quarters/sanctuary. It's still a gas though (no pun intended). And Clockwork: I promise I will not salt your game this time"_"

Posted by TCdrainer Lol, I remember (back in the "Kilroy" days) we created a "Danarchy-sighting log" on KK and Myspace, along with a "Dan D" fan-club which we could never get him to join, ironically, given the fact that he has won multiple MW awards for "most self votes".

I had no need for yet another fan club. There have been so many over the years.

Posted by TCdrainer And Clockwork: I promise I will not salt your game this time"_"

LOL. Classic.

Danarchy, I have like 200 of your Mouser Week awards, I need to get those to you somehow

Posted by Freak Danarchy, I have like 200 of your Mouser Week awards, I need to get those to you somehow

Yeah you do! Gonna be in the UP in July at all?

i have just recently started experiencing crew drama. It is boring and lame. Exploring is not about your personal life.

Posted by Chi-Ex Exploring is not about your personal life.

Bullshit.

Some days, exploring has EVERYTHING to do with _{(getting away from)} your personal life.

Am I the only one around here who's obsessed with new tunnels?

Your love for tunnels will never die Jimmeh.

Jim's butt has a maze of tunnels in it. It takes his poops 45 minutes to find their way out everytime he goes to take a crap.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by NotBatman Bullshit. Some days, exploring has EVERYTHING to do with (getting away from) your personal life.

You are completely correct it is an escape from your personal life. That would mean you don't take calls from your mom, text messages from your friends, check your facebook, or any of that stuff while on top of a roof. Hence, it has NOTHING to do with people's personal F*ing drama

Not to start the drama up again, but a few days ago I was on top of a mill waiting for a couple of to show up (with my cold chipotle burrito!) and start off the night and an 8-pack of high school shit heads show up with zero intention of being discrete. Yelling to each other 3 floors apart and throwing whatever is left in that place at what ever would make the loudest noise. It became too much when the girl of the group started screaming at the top of her lungs when her friends tried to scare her. I finally climbed down and talked to them for a bit about drawing attention. They ended up leaving shortly after. Probably because they thought I was a drunk crazy person, but what evs. That's how I get when I don't get my burrito on time.