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And now I wait!
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My tentative plan is to buy a surplus Soviet SKS to start. Or a Nagant 91/30. Definitely something cheap to buy and shoot initially. I really don't have interest in owning restricted, but we'll see.




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So what does your restricted permit allow? Can you keep your firearm in your home or does it have to be secured at a gun club? Sorry I am totally ignorant of Canadian gun laws.




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So what does your restricted permit allow? Can you keep your firearm in your home or does it have to be secured at a gun club? Sorry I am totally ignorant of Canadian gun laws.


A Non-Restricted Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) permits me to buy and possess non-restricted firearms and ammunition for Non-Restricted firearms only. Rifles, shotguns. It's up to me whether or not I belong to a range, so long as I only own non-restricted firearms.

A Restricted Possession and Acquisition License (RPAL) permits me to buy and possess restricted firearms. Handguns. And only on the condition I'm a member of a gun club. I can only take the restricted firearm to/from the club or gunsmith, essentially. And I need a permit called an Authorization to Transport if I want to take it to those places.

You need a PAL to get your RPAL.. I've passed both courses, now I submit paperwork. Over the next six weeks, the RCMP will conduct a background check. Once my family and friends confirm to them I'm not crazy, or a threat, they'll send me out a fancy purple card.




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so you can't load up your firearms take them to the middle of nowhere and blast away then? only to a legal club range?? or am I reading that all wrong?




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so you can't load up your firearms take them to the middle of nowhere and blast away then? only to a legal club range?? or am I reading that all wrong?



I can't load up my restricted firearms (ie. hand guns) and take them to the middle of nowhere to blast away. Only to the range with restricted firearms.

I can load up my non-restricted firearms and take them to areas where laws permit. You have to be x metres from a school, x metres from a residence, etc. to discharge a firearm.




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Why is Canada such a civilized society, and America is not? Any retard with the purchase cost of any weapon (except fully automatics) can plunk down their cash and after a woefully brief check can take said weapon without restriction?




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Before my cards come, a real, live RCMP officer (afaik) is going to check with three references and my girlfriend because we've lived together forever. "Do you know any reason why so-and-so shouldn't have firearms?" It seems pretty thorough..




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Why is Canada such a civilized society, and America is not? Any retard with the purchase cost of any weapon (except fully automatics) can plunk down their cash and after a woefully brief check can take said weapon without restriction?

Woefully brief check? I guess that you aren't familiar with New York or California gun laws, eh?




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That's true Shawn, I'm not as familiar with east or west coast US gun laws. Except for the obvious magazine restrictions I've read about. I live in the buckle of the bible belt. Here it's pretty well wide open except for the NICS check.




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That's true Shawn, I'm not as familiar with east or west coast US gun laws. Except for the obvious magazine restrictions I've read about. I live in the buckle of the bible belt. Here it's pretty well wide open except for the NICS check.


This is how it works up here in regards to magazine capacities

Q7. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold?

A7. As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:

5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
10 cartridges for most handgun magazines

A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.

There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics, with some exceptions. See also Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity.





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good luck in your quest! keep us posted!




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good luck in your quest! keep us posted!



Will do!




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I do find it interesting that most Americans assume Canadian firearms ownership is basically impossible. I know several Americans that take guns to Canada for big game hunts, but apparently think Canadian citizens can't do the same.




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I do find it interesting that most Americans assume Canadian firearms ownership is basically impossible. I know several Americans that take guns to Canada for big game hunts, but apparently think Canadian citizens can't do the same.


It was pretty easy so far. You take the courses and you pass the tests, or just challenge the tests without the course. Pass the course(s), find two references to sign your papers, fill out your papers and send them in. Over the course of the next two months they call my references and spouse (partner, common-law, whoever I live with) and make sure I'm not crazy or dangerous.

Once my PAL card arrives, I can buy non-restricted rifles all day long and no one will know but the retailer. I need a Hunter Safety Course/Card to hunt with my rifles. They've gotta be stored at home unloaded, with a lock, or with the bolt removed, or locked in a secure case. Personally, I'll double lock everything until I'm equipped to fasten a cabinet to a wall stud. I can display them using the same three methods, I just have to keep the ammo elsewhere and/or lock it up.

With my PAL, I can buy restricted firearms too, like pistols. Can't really have it anywhere but inside my home and at the range. A to B and back. No stopping for groceries. They've gotta be stored at home unloaded, rendered inoperable (trigger/cable lock) and locked in a secure case or locked in a vault or safe room specifically built for firearm storage. I can display them on my walls if they're cable locked to wall studs and ammo isn't present.

I have no interest in restricted right now. Just a big, cheap, boom-stick til the right gun comes along. The Mosin guy at work says he's been hiding a rarer 91/30 for a customer he hasn't seen since October, so I might just grab that when the papers come through.

Process Update #1:
After I submit this, I'm taking clippers to my hair and then going to Walmart for mugshots before or after I run around the city collecting reference signatures for my application. My references are my sister and a friend I go way back with who I work with. So three stops, maybe four and I'll have everything I need to drop it in the mail tomorrow.




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whats a "non-restricted" and "restricted" firearm?




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whats a "non-restricted" and "restricted" firearm?

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whats a "non-restricted" and "restricted" firearm?


A non restricted firearm is typically a rifle or shotgun. Has to do with barrel length. There are exceptions, like a Rossi Ranch Hand. It's so short, it ought to be restricted but since it's a manual repeater, it's not restricted.

A restricted firearm is typically pistols, revolvers, and short barrel semi automatic rifles.

Prohibited is the third class or firearm. It's typically tiny little pistols (shorter than ~105mm iirc), automatic firearms, and big weapons-- think anti aircraft. Pretty much every AK variant is prohibited, whether it's semi auto or not. That's about fear more than anything else.




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A non restricted firearm is typically a rifle or shotgun. Has to do with barrel length. There are exceptions, like a Rossi Ranch Hand. It's so short, it ought to be restricted but since it's a manual repeater, it's not restricted.


That is funny, in the US the Ranch Hand is classified as a pistol because of barrel length so is subject to stricter regulation.

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Pretty much every AK variant is prohibited, whether it's semi auto or not. That's about fear more than anything else.


Thats why one of my Canadian friend bought himself a Chech Vz. 58. The superior Eastern Bloc weapon.





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We're waiting on Vz. 58s at work. Half a dozen, iirc. They won't last long.




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The VZ's look interesting. I've seen a few for sale but haven't owned or shot one yet. Anyone here have experience with them? And Tribeach, in Canada why would the VZ be unrestricted when Kalashnikov clones would be? A political thing maybe?




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