post by etchleon | | brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines < on 9/15/2011 1:59 AM >
1: does anyone else find the Magazines in the HP have to be treated with extreme care, regularly cause the weapon to misfeed and that this is related to the shape/curve on the top of the magazine? 2: Does anyone have a better way to keep the HP mags working properly and reliably other then constantly fiddling with the mouth of the magazine and handling them like they are made of paper thin glass?
Don't tell me to buy new mags or get different firearm. I ask cause it is what I am issued as a member of the CDN forces and thus have to live with the bogus 50+ year old magazines.
post by cdevon | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 1 on 9/15/2011 3:58 AM >
tuff call. mag "tuning" is an art. if the mags "fall out of tune" that fast from use or changing mags or storage/wear and tear... i would recommend poly ,ags like promag (cheap). if thats not gonna happen them you just may have to live with it, and "hope" you never need to find out if the mag will feed on targets other than paper.
post by etchleon | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 2 on 9/15/2011 9:26 AM >
The big issue with them falling out of tune is a) they get handled roughly and stored in a vault, and you don't get the same ones every time and thus have to tune them every time you draw a weapon from the vault.(side note, with service rifle, the bolt carriers get tossed in a box and you never get matching/same carrier twice in a row) b) They, of course, end up being used to train new members in the use of that fire arm and of course, someone who never used a pistol before may not take the best care of them. For the sake of range shoots, I can't use my own mags.
For the sake of the two way shooting range, Generally a modern Sig P225 or 226 is used instead. (And are set to 100% replace the HP by 2015) if an HP is issued, it issued with brand new magazines from reserve stocks, and of course, now you keep the same mags for the entire deployment, allowing you to tune them properly.
Its just a hassle for the shooting at paper for qual or shooting on an ex... I guess I'll live with it.. but I will look into the promag's you mentioned for the sake of exercises where I could probably get away with it.
post by cdevon | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 3 on 9/15/2011 6:17 PM >
i know its not what you want to hear... but if it were me and i was in your shoes, i would get a more reliable sidearm. i hate glocks but they run, ALL THE TIME. for that matter so does the xd, but plastic guns are just not for me. i never shot a sig- but they do make a good gun. cz may be cheaper and just as good as a sig or so im told. personaly i like a side arm that is as much as a weapon when its empty as when its full. full sized frame 1911 a2 in stainless for me. the 1911 did not take much to make it a real shooter. the factory mags were real right from the get-go. the 3 clone/aftermarket mags took alittle tuning but now run just fine. and nothing says "you fucked up" like looking at the muzzle end of a .45acp. (i had to tune my aftermkt mags for the mini as well, so now its just a habit when i get new aftermkt mags.)
post by Jonsered | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 4 on 9/15/2011 10:13 PM >
My Hi Power works flawlessly, without regard to ammunition or magazine. Had literally a couple of failures to feed in 20 years of ownership. Are you SURE its the lips and not the follower binding up ? No idea how to fix your problem, but I'll ask a guy.
post by etchleon | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 5 on 9/16/2011 1:48 AM >
cdevon: While I am licensed to own hand guns of my own, the laws regarding them are very strict in Canada, I do own a Glock and I love it, but I can not use a personally owned firearm on duty! Ist verboten!
Jon: Yes, it is the mags... its always talked about and was even the subject of a very long thread on a CF fourm at least once. also, when i had my HP in Afghanistan and had the same mags for 6 months, that I tuned and treated with care, it worked perfect. Its just when I get beaten up random mags in Canada for range or exercise use that its a problem. If you know a BHP wizard and wouldn't mind asking, that would be awesome.
post by Jonsered | | Re: brain dead Browning Hi Power Magazines <Reply # 6 on 9/19/2011 12:18 AM >
Ok, according to my buddy, this is indeed a known problem (I had no idea). Browning mags apparently function perfectly up to a point, and when they pass that wear life. thats it. John says find yourself a few issue mags that work, tune them up, and don't let go of them until separation from service. Failing that, he says you just have to get good with adjusting the mag feed lips yourself. He showed me a small set of needle nose pliers he uses for the job. Round jaws, not flat. Don't know how much this helps, but thats what I've got.
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