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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 371 on 12/11/2005 5:23 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Fibreglass does no real damage, long or short term, except for irritation.
Asbestos is EXTREMELY dangerous - it can cause asbestosis, an almost always fatal form of cancer, sometimes decades after exposure. There's no real problem with asbestos if it doesn't get into the air - i.e. in asbestos wrap around pipes, or in the sheets they used to use in buildings - but if those things are broken, and dust gets into the air, the asbestos is then inhaled, and it embeds itself into the lung walls. Don't screw around with asbestos. A paper mask doesn't cut it, nor does a rebreather or filter apparatus. Hasn't anyone seen what they do when they remove asbestos from a building? They seal it off completely, and every worker that goes in wears a fully sealed, head-to-toe body suit, and is cleaned thoroughly when he/she comes out. If you're going into places where asbestos might be found.......DON'T! JP - go see your doctor ASAP, and discuss this with him/her.
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| | | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 372 on 12/11/2005 6:02 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by anvil Fibreglass does no real damage, long or short term, except for irritation. Asbestos is EXTREMELY dangerous - it can cause asbestosis, an almost always fatal form of cancer, sometimes decades after exposure. There's no real problem with asbestos if it doesn't get into the air - i.e. in asbestos wrap around pipes, or in the sheets they used to use in buildings - but if those things are broken, and dust gets into the air, the asbestos is then inhaled, and it embeds itself into the lung walls. Don't screw around with asbestos. A paper mask doesn't cut it, nor does a rebreather or filter apparatus. Hasn't anyone seen what they do when they remove asbestos from a building? They seal it off completely, and every worker that goes in wears a fully sealed, head-to-toe body suit, and is cleaned thoroughly when he/she comes out. If you're going into places where asbestos might be found.......DON'T! JP - go see your doctor ASAP, and discuss this with him/her.
| Long-term exposure to asbestos fibers will do damage, but if exposed to it for a brief amount of time, it passes through your circulatory system. Being exposed to it, for example, at work will increase the risk of lung cancer, asbestosis, mesothelioma and other disorders, but you need exposures that run in the range of 800+ fibers per year measured in milliliters. This really only occurs if you work in a setting where asbestos fibers are blown around and inhaled over a period of 10+ years. Of course, people go apeshit even mentioning asbestos. It is not dangerous in itself, and is a very safe product, as long as proper precautions are taken to ensure that it does not deteriorate. Condemning buildings and/or taking very expensive procedures to rid safe buildings of this, when it poses no risk by itself, is stupid. A waste of taxpayers dollars if you ask me. Ripping up tiles in old buildings because they contain 3% asbestos? You gotta be kidding me, but it happens. Tiles with a slight tint of asbestos is NOT a health hazard, as it is not friable. Yeah, take a hammer, crush a tile up, breathe the entire thing in, or snort it (whichever is your fancy), and yes, you might have a problem... I did a research paper on this very situation about one year ago; if I find the report, which may be gone after my latest mishap with my PC, then I'll post it, as it contains factual information that isn't crap overblown by the popular media and money-crazed lawyers. I received an 95% on the paper and comments included that it was "well researched" and "very conclusive." No need to see a doctor JP about asbestos inhalation. Even if you did inhale a SIGNIFICANT portion of asbestos, as in you took a pipe, crushed it until it was friable (think of dust), and gulped it down, you are just fine. Not as if he can do anything about it even if you did consume vast amounts of it anyways...
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 373 on 12/11/2005 10:58 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I disagree with your casual attitude towards asbestos. Asbestos is conclusively linked to severe health problems - and while risks increase with long term exposure, studies have not established a "safe" exposure level - which is why there are such strong regulations in place around handling and disposal procedures. It is not dangerous in itself Then why is it banned for most uses in most countries? Condemning buildings and/or taking very expensive procedures to rid safe buildings of this, when it poses no risk by itself, is stupid. It DOES pose a risk - any time it is disturbed or damaged, or when there is a fire in the building. It's not dangerous if it's undisturbed/encapsulated, but who can predict when/if it will be disturbed? Same logic as for PCBs - little risk while they site in their tranformer tanks on power poles, but if they catch fire....watch out. And the research I've done wasn't sourced from "the popular media or money-crazed lawyers" - I used government, industry and health sources. Not a single one made any claims similar to those you've posted here. Not one said "short term exposure is safe," or things to that effect. Not one said "it's alright to breath a bunch of it in, as long as it's only once or twice." In fact, every one cited the dangers (granted, mostly to do with long term exposure) of exposure, and all stated that the evidence wasn't conclusive, either way. All stated that any inhalation of asbestos should be avoided. How much clearer can it be? How is it that you have come to such strong conclusions on this, when the best experts strongly state that they are not sure? Do you know something they don't?
You want to be nonchalant, fly at 'er. Until the medical establishment is a bit clearer on the facts, I'd rather be a bit more cautious, thanks..... As far as JP goes, if it were me, I'd talk to a doctor - and it might be a good idea to try to get a sample of the material, and submit it for testing, to see if it does, in fact contain asbestos. If it's there in high concentration, it should be dealt with properly, so that others aren't exposed to it.....
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| KublaKhan
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 377 on 12/14/2005 12:18 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mavrix i want to drive like.. 50 hours to bc, to go do this, but kubla aint replieng. im pretty sure i can find some interesting things down ther but I want a place to stay or a roomate for temperary stay ther, someone help me with that cuz i want o get ther asap and show you newbs how to investigate > no pussies allowed, this wont be tunneling, this will be massive adventures
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 378 on 12/14/2005 5:00 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Hi Nikita lol thanks for the uhh.. nomination? What can I say? As explained i am seriously into the occult and paranormal. I have big goals in life. Weird **** happens around me, lets just say, i used psychic powers to get the location of a burried gold, and then i found the spot in a forest, the only spot ther, started diggin and found pieces of an old chest, then i found stone ruins etc. If you believe you can do it, then you can do it, thats how the quote goes? I hope this post humors you further, I dont mind because it always happens online, people hardly every agree with me because my beliefs are so bizarre... to the uninitiated.. muhaha
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| | | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 379 on 12/14/2005 6:25 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mavrix Hi Nikita lol thanks for the uhh.. nomination? What can I say? As explained i am seriously into the occult and paranormal. I have big goals in life. Weird **** happens around me, lets just say, i used psychic powers to get the location of a burried gold, and then i found the spot in a forest, the only spot ther, started diggin and found pieces of an old chest, then i found stone ruins etc. If you believe you can do it, then you can do it, thats how the quote goes?
I hope this post humors you further, I dont mind because it always happens online, people hardly every agree with me because my beliefs are so bizarre... to the uninitiated.. muhaha
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