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KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1464 on 4/19/2007 12:08 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Tanuki From the book "First Water, Tigers! A History of the Victoria Fire Department.", as was recommended by anvil. And the title actually does make sense now that I've read a bit of the book. There must have been detailed maps as to the exact location of each of the 13 cisterns during the period that they were been used. But these would be 100 years old, and anything older than about 1970 seems to get put into the archives, so they would be there. And unfortunately it will be the Victoria archives, so one would have to defeat the troll.
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| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1466 on 4/19/2007 3:06 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by anvil So it's possible the cistern on Store Street either the extended basement, and possibly the existing drain system. 1859-1877 is pretty early in the city's history. The building at the corner of Store and Johnston might date to later than 1908 - not sure about that. Glad the book had such good info - I'd forgotten how valuable a resource it is. And its unlikely that 150 year old water cisterns with wooden tops are still under there, supporting the weight of streets, sidewalks,etc. Pretty much puts to rest the idea that they're still down there - unless they were completely filled in with earth, cement, etc.
| There's a store on the corner of S and P St.'s, directly across from the JH, and I was told by the shopkeeper that there is an entrance that leads to a tunnel that cuts across where this (alleged) cistern should be, and that the tunnel continues under W St. and then does a slight turn towards what is the Customs House.
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| meggaman
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1467 on 4/19/2007 5:10 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | http://magazine.cl...inia.edu/x8589.xmllookie,,lookie,, cistern's , never know whats under there,,
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| anvil
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1475 on 4/19/2007 6:19 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Look at the maps again. On the top map, the streets go as follows (from bottom to top): Johnston, Pandora, Cormorant. On the bottom map (which I've seen before and noticed this then, too), the streets go Johnston, then Cormorant. What is Pandora on the top map is labelled Cormorant on the bottom. Pandora and Cormorant never actually merged - they separately intersected with Store - albeit fairly close together. As the bottom map is a very old one (I believe late 1800s-early 1900s), it was drawn long before Pandora was realigned. So it is incorrect. Pandora today is actually Cormorant - they realigned things in the 1960s, when they built Centennial Square. Ripped down a whole block of Chinatown to do it. The only thing I can suggest is that Pandora was a later creation, and it didn't exist when the old map was drawn. Which, now that I look at it, makes sense when you look at how Cormorant and Johnston are aligned, and which direction Pandora runs in the later map. I've never come across any info on when and why Pandora was created - anyone else?
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| Tanuki
Location: Victoria, BC Total Likes: 1 like
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1477 on 4/19/2007 9:34 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Good research surekill, and I think you are conclusively showing that Lai's map is wrong. I'd assume that the old fire map is correct, the location of the cistern would have been important at the time. And it's placement of the cistern seems quite logical, it places the cistern in an intersection so it could serve four blocks at once, and closer to the person who paid for it. But the fire map doesn't agree with Lai's map. The fire map places the cistern closer to Waddington Alley, and further away from the buildings. According to the fire map the cistern is almost 50 feet from the edge of the buildings. That old stormdrain is much closer, only a few feet beyond the extended basements. Meaning that the cistern must be on the other side of the stormdrain. Lai's drawing has the location of the stormdrain wrong, and the location of the cistern relative to the stormdrain wrong. I've just quickly sketched where the stormdrain is actually located on the fire map, stormdrain in purple. Anyways, one would think that they removed it, but Victoria does have a tendency to just pave things over and hope they disappear. And then sections of road cave in, and they just pave it over again. So it might still be there. And one day I might be walking along Johnson St and see a truck disappear into a hole in the road.
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| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1478 on 4/19/2007 11:44 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Tanuki Good research surekill, and I think you are conclusively showing that Lai's map is wrong. I'd assume that the old fire map is correct, the location of the cistern would have been important at the time. And it's placement of the cistern seems quite logical, it places the cistern in an intersection so it could serve four blocks at once, and closer to the person who paid for it. But the fire map doesn't agree with Lai's map. The fire map places the cistern closer to Waddington Alley, and further away from the buildings. According to the fire map the cistern is almost 50 feet from the edge of the buildings. That old stormdrain is much closer, only a few feet beyond the extended basements. Meaning that the cistern must be on the other side of the stormdrain. Lai's drawing has the location of the stormdrain wrong, and the location of the cistern relative to the stormdrain wrong. I've just quickly sketched where the stormdrain is actually located on the fire map, stormdrain in purple.
Anyways, one would think that they removed it, but Victoria does have a tendency to just pave things over and hope they disappear. And then sections of road cave in, and they just pave it over again. So it might still be there. And one day I might be walking along Johnson St and see a truck disappear into a hole in the road.
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