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Peptic Ulcer
Location: Katy, TX Gender: Male Total Likes: 839 likes
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| | | | Re: What legal trouble can you get in while exploring < Reply # 3 on 3/29/2016 12:36 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | This question is impossible to answer - every situation is different, laws are different and every cop is different. It also depends on how YOU behave. The cops are the first line defense here. If you try and hide, don't comply with commands, or run away and get caught, there are a whole host of charges that can be brought, many of which are felonies and the least of which is trespassing. Many here have posted stories about hiding, running etc and it's worked for them. I've always been up front, compliant and cooperative and never been arrested. As far as the law is concerned, here is a link that may help you understand your local laws: http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0 In the scenario you posted above, in TEXAS (assuming there were no fences and no purple paint), they legally don't have a leg to stand on. That being said, mouthing off to them about "your rights" and coming off like an asshole lawyer isn't going to help your cause. Remember, these guys control what goes into the report and that smart mouth of yours and the pocket knife in your bag may turn into resisting arrest and carrying a concealed weapon...
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| | | | Re: What legal trouble can you get in while exploring < Reply # 7 on 3/29/2016 6:58 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by anatonic
This is all great advice, another key step if its clear you've been spotted and are going to have to talk yourself out of a situation is to immediately diffuse the situation and set the mood, maintain having some sense of the upper hand. Easiest way to do this is a simple wave, or by approaching them first with a friendly attitude. Don't be a dick and most of the time they won't be either, and if you get yelled at take it - don't argue back.
| The assertive upper hand thing used to work more years ago when formal training wasn't the norm. Even then it was a crap shoot. I don't recommend especially if your shit is weak. Understanding their training and protocols helps. I think you really have to feel them out and let them do the talking. The first way they gauge you is by your level of compliance to their commands. Never answer questions they didn't ask or talk nervous dribble. Remain calm, compose yourself. Generally it's better to let them lead. They are trained to be assertive and should be. Some deliberately will play dumb to see what you will show them; there are some very clever ones out there. Be very careful approaching a cop in their car; stay in plain sight and keep your hands visible. Many times it's best to let them to approach you. Their shit is weak when seated in their car and they know it. Making a cop nervous never helps. If you know the cop is after you and you're in your car, stay in your car, hands on the wheel. Do not go looking for shit in the car! Wait for them to ask and then tell them what you are going to do before you do it. The more compliant you are by following -their- protocols the better the outcome. Cops generally don't want to hassle a good guy for minor bs. Never argue, and allow them to take charge. They're trained to do that, and resistance even verbal can escalate the encounter. They will then have a tendency not to listen. Remember compliance goes a long way with cops and can make the difference between arrest or a warning, or a ticket instead of a night in jail. If you're are patient they will ask you what you're doing. Yeah you're right, never yell or curse at a cop even if they're are yelling or cursing at you. It happens. Let them cool off by not adding to the fire. It's just business, don't take it personally
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Location: Johnson City, TN Gender: Male Total Likes: 374 likes
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| | | | | Re: What legal trouble can you get in while exploring < Reply # 13 on 4/14/2016 5:38 AM > | Reply with Quote
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| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: What legal trouble can you get in while exploring < Reply # 15 on 10/11/2018 5:37 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by seicer Having gone through a lengthy and money consuming legal case, where a simple misdemeanor trespass got upgraded to three felonies because a landowner can trump up charges: 1. Prepare at least $2,000 in readily accessible cash for a lawyer that is closer to the physical court location. No lawyer does payment plans. 2. Pleading not guilty will add $4,000+ in lawyer fees. Pleading no contest waives those fees, and could result in reduced charges or penalties. 3. Prepare at least $1,000 to $2,000 in court costs and restitution. And community service. And hope that there is diversion/probation.
| That's... a lot of money. What charges did the landowner trump up, if I may ask?
| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
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