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 Neptune
     
Location: Maine
Gender: Female
The Albino Explorer
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< on 11/2/2009 6:04 AM >
|  | | | Ok, so I may not be a rookie, but I have a "rookie" type question for you all.
If you get caught in or around an abandonment, do police have the right to look through your camera? I would imagine a camera is much like a locked car, needing a warrant to be searched.
Please don't tell me to just switch to film. I shoot mostly in digital because it's easier and more cost effective. I sometimes use 35mm but changing film in a dusty abandonment is a pain.
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Speed
 
Location: Philly area
Gender: Male
Retired Explorer
| | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 1 on 11/2/2009 6:51 AM >
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I think what will happen in these situations is most often very different than what should happen.
meaning, the police will do whatever they damn well please and you will be pretty much helpless and have to deal with it.
google "photographers rights" there is TONS of info out there on this subject.
also, with regards to the replies that you're going to get to your question....
dont confuse peoples opinions with fact.
last I checked UER wasnt exactly teeming with lawyers.
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unlisted
Gender: Male
| | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 2 on 11/2/2009 6:54 PM >
| | | | So, if its digital, delete all the images.
Than, when you get home, recover said deleted images...
Problem solved.
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 3 on 11/2/2009 7:07 PM >
| | | | the police can't just do whatever they want. sure they'll try to, but ultimately it's your responsibility to know your rights. generally speaking however, if a cop stops you in public on some sort of suspicion (like getting pulled over in a car or walking down the street), he doesn't have the right to search your belongings. but if you're caught trespassing you are essentially in the act of committing a crime and that changes things. rules regarding what they can and can't do vary by state and other factors. but if you're gonna go exploring you should know what the cops can do.
what do i do? run like hell outta there. if they bust you on the outside you can exercise your 4th amendment rights.
watch this for starters:
http://www.youtube...atch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
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heinrick
Location: Cascadia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 5 on 11/2/2009 10:33 PM >
| | | | So not allowing them to look at your gear could very well motivate them to arrest you and make you do so.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 6 on 11/2/2009 10:40 PM >
| | | | Get Memory Two Cards. Shoot exteriors before you go in. Switch to the interior card. Take photographs. Switch back to the exterior card before you leave.
If you are caught outside, all you have are exterior shots, which if the cop desires to see, showing him these constitutes trespassing, but not breaking and entering.
The cop gets to hand you a trespassing ticket, kick you out, and he gets to feel like he's done his job.
No need to do an arrest for B/E and have all that paperwork and court shit to go through.
Of course if the cop were really out to get you, they can confiscate all of your gear as evidence.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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aurelie
Location: pacific northwest
Gender: Female
high tech:: low life.
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 7 on 11/2/2009 10:42 PM >
| | | | i generally switch my cf card prior to exiting a location/ if i get wind of cops, just as a precaution.
reckless thoughts abide; anachronistic and impulsive.
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Neptune
Location: Maine
Gender: Female
The Albino Explorer
| | | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 8 on 11/3/2009 3:39 AM >
| | | | Thanks guys, these are some great tips and things to think about. I hadn't thought about switching out my memory cards until I just read recently in another thread that somebody else was doing it.
Another question though: say I take the interior shots out and hide the memory card in my sock or something. Obviously a cop won't find it while patting me down, but if for whatever reason I get arrested and they find it later, could I get in even worse trouble for hiding it?
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JackAttack
Location: Brantingham, NY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 9 on 11/3/2009 3:47 AM >
| | | | Yeah I was outside and I got straight up arrested.. This could have been because I was taking a picture of a sign that stated, "No Photographs", or because the State Troopers' car was in the photo.. Held my camera hostage over night and gave it back with an empty CF card. Not worth fighting since they didn't give me a fine.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 10 on 11/3/2009 3:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by Neptune
Thanks guys, these are some great tips and things to think about. I hadn't thought about switching out my memory cards until I just read recently in another thread that somebody else was doing it.
Another question though: say I take the interior shots out and hide the memory card in my sock or something. Obviously a cop won't find it while patting me down, but if for whatever reason I get arrested and they find it later, could I get in even worse trouble for hiding it?
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I don't think you can get in "worse" trouble, than if you were to walk out of the building with the card in your camera. I suppose if you told the cop you weren't in the building and the pictures on the card proved otherwise, that would be "lying to a cop" which would piss him off ... but you're not under oath or arrested. If you get arrested, don't say anything further.
I would put the card back into my camera bag, not my sock. Bury it at the bottom of the bag. The likelihood of them going through everything is slim. It'd be far less suspicious place to have a spare card.
Funny story about hiding things in your socks ... in '83 my dad got arrested for possession of marijuana (he had a few roaches in ash tray), well they stripped him down except for his socks. So he's sitting in a jail cell, and he realized that he still has a joint tucked away in his sock. Another guy had a lighter, so they lit up in the jail cell. The cops smelled it of course and the guy with the lighter got busted because they walked back and he had the weed in hand.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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mesomewierdo
| | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 11 on 11/3/2009 4:54 AM >
| | | | According to "Cops" on TV (smirk) bringing dope or weapons into jail hidden on your person is an aggravated charge, as it's bringing forbidden contraband into jail. Don't think SD chips qualify.
For truly memorable backups, a 9 inch netbook with 3G plan and chip reader can beam your shots out wherever you have coverage...
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IIVQ
 
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
Back in Urbex!
| |  |  | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 12 on 11/3/2009 7:43 AM >
| | | | I've once been asked to remove the shots of a nuclear power plant off of my camera. Since they weren't that great shots and it was the end of the day, I complied. When home, undelete worked fine.
In the Netherlands it's not legal for a cop to even look trough your pics - that is, he can always ask and if you comply that's not illegal etc. However, your camera could be taken as evidence. They'll need a court order for having your pics deleted.
However, some areas can be designated as "military area". Normally, you can't get in there anyway, but a few years back there were a lot of military transports where these areas were installed "around the train". A lot of rent-a-cops went a little overboard then, by confiscating whole cameras.
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Jeff!
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 13 on 11/3/2009 6:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by JackAttack
Yeah I was outside and I got straight up arrested.. This could have been because I was taking a picture of a sign that stated, "No Photographs", or because the State Troopers' car was in the photo.. Held my camera hostage over night and gave it back with an empty CF card. Not worth fighting since they didn't give me a fine.
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were you on the property or on the sidewalk
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Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: Photography and "The Law"
<Reply # 14 on 11/3/2009 6:44 PM >
| | | | They do not have a right to confiscate your camera or demand you delete your images without a judge's order.
However, letting them know this may not end well for you. It's a matter of how much you're willing to stick up for your rights. Honestly a lot of cops themselves aren't too well-trained on photographer's rights. I've known a couple people who, to diffuse situations and avoid arrest, agreed to "delete" their images in good faith of being let go. Don't shoot anymore on that card, go home, recover.
But the short answer to you question is my first sentence.
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