Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration < on 8/3/2006 3:48 PM >
In a recent report made by Stephen Colbert of "The Colbert Report" (redunance in it's finest) illustrated the flaw in using Wikipedia to judge facts. Also recently, his points ring true when someone added to the Urban Exploration page on Wikipedia this about my meets:
Unfortunately, some of the meets have become too publicized or overrun by non-urban explorers as evidenced by a meet held by "Shiroi" at which heavy liquour, partying, and vandalism occured. This attracted much negative attention from other urban explorers .
I'm not sure who wrote this, but it's terribly libelous. They not only refer to people who go to my meet and myself as not being Urban Explorers, but as vandals. Just to clear some of this up for those who might be misinformed by now by this "Wikiality" (a word coined by Colbert to represent the reality under Wikipedia which can be dramatically false) I do not think there was any drinking, and if there was, I did not know about it (big crowd). There was unfortunately no real partying, because I'd only actually "party" on my own time, like at Taco's Bach Social, now that's a party; not in an abandoned building, that's just dumb. And finally there was definitely NO vandalism. I am extremely against vandalism as many many of you already know.
The odd thing about this was the reference they used. They used a reference link that would only serve to prove what I'm telling you now. It makes no sense to provide a reference that refutes what you're talking about.
I have been told that there was a discussion on Wikipedia about the page, and that Seicer is the one responsible for this. I don't know Seicer, but he's either misinformed, or doesn't agree with my meets so much that he wants to stain it's name.
The point of me saying all of this is that we as the community need to protect the information that goes on that page. That page represents us to a huge amount of people wondering what UE is all about. It would be a bad idea to give people the wrong impression of what we do here, even if you don't like some group or meet. The integrity of that page reflects on who we are whether we like it or not; Wikipedia is hugely popular as a means of finding out about any new subject not only for your run of the mill internet user, but even those that don't use the internet that often.
Here's a post regarding this in my private forums:
Posted by Hardware I readded the "Shiroi" comment since it involved vandalism and partying, among other things that very much stretch the defination of "urban exploration" and should be more along the lines of vandalism, trespassing, breaking/entering, etc. from the threads I have read on the event. I asked for help from various members from several UE forums to see if more information can be added. Seicer (talk) 01:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I read the reference about the Shiroi meet, and I missed the sections that indicated there was vandalism and partying at the event. It doesn't really support the assertions as far as I can see. Do you have another reference that does support this? I don't agree with what he does, but that doesn't mean he should be accused of things he doesn't do. Oherian 14:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Re: Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration <Reply # 6 on 8/3/2006 4:49 PM >
Seicer made some comments about the meet again on the Wikitalk page, and Skelly clarifies.
It was brought to my attention that instead of contributing to the discussion here at Wikipedia, user Shiroi (at UER) brought it upon her self to clearify her statements (and add ad homem attacks) at her own post. To clearify, there was much discussion regarding the meet that was added after I had edited the article (it's a site I no longer frequent and check) and points were clearified. I am still waiting verification that the meet was not related to urban exploration but rather it was a gathering of people who partied or did whatever that excludes it from the interest of urban exploration.
To continue, Oherian did not "stand up" against me in any way; he just read up on the later posts that clearified some of the more obsecured points. I asked him for assitance with the article so that any non-neutral point of view statements could be removed. It's certaintly hard to edit an article you are deeply involved with and not have a slant to it, but since I am one of the only ones that edits this article (and related articles) on a frequent basis, I am the one whose face is out there the most. Go figure.
So if you could please discuss the article here instead of on UER and contribute to what the theme and point of the meet is, so that I can properly label it (or remove it if it is not related to urban exploration), that would be much appreciated. Also note that the Shiroi meet was removed a while back at my edit due to its unverifiability, but was readded after the new crop of posts appeared. Thanks! Seicer (talk) 16:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
As a rebuttal to secier's current discussion here, I would like to say that Shiroi first is a male and his meets are not overrun by non-urban explorers and do not have vandalism or drinking. Its however a more relaxed UE meet and has been known as one of the more fun meets in Toronto, but its not exactly partying. However it is in fact a UE meet and not what secier has described it. I know this for a fact because I know the Toronto explorers pretty well and know what goes on there pretty accuratly. Agentskelly 16:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that Skelly.
And thanks Axle for seeing this the way it should be seen by anyone who doesn't like my meets, objectively.
I'll do a Wikipedia entry specifically for the meets so everyone can understand and none of this will happen again.
EDIT: I will not make my own page on it, since Seicer says it'll be more problamatic and troublesome than worth it. I'll just talk to him on some messaging client like msn, I don't have AIM. I'm giving Skelly my email for msn.
lol, what a funny way to communicate with someone. [last edit 8/3/2006 5:00 PM by shiroi - edited 1 times]
Re: Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration <Reply # 7 on 8/3/2006 7:09 PM >
As of right now, the entry now shows the following:
Others include quasi-urban exploring gatherings, as evidenced by a meet held by "Shiroi" in which stunts were performed in an abandoned structure.  This has attracted both negative and positive attention based upon the ethics that that particular explorer holds .
Re: Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration <Reply # 11 on 8/5/2006 10:06 PM >
Posted by Wu Oh Stephen Colbert...
He amuses me so
Yeah . . . off-topic, but I find that Stephen Colbert isn't (to me) naturally funny, but he has great writers. Then the Daily Show, that guy is very funny, but I don't like what the writers do all the time.
Re: Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration <Reply # 12 on 8/23/2006 4:06 PM >
On the one hand you have all this arguing about disclosing locations, and then a freakin' wikipedia section is created for Urban exploration? Does that not defeat the purpose of wanting to keep locations as private as possible?
And that's not directed at Shiroi, but whoever started the UE entry in the first place.
Re: Wikiality shown on Urban Exploration <Reply # 13 on 8/23/2006 4:20 PM >
Posted by Air 33 On the one hand you have all this arguing about disclosing locations, and then a freakin' wikipedia section is created for Urban exploration? Does that not defeat the purpose of wanting to keep locations as private as possible?
I can't see why a wikipedia entry that talks about the hobby in the most general of terms should cause any problems. Besides, the whole thing about keeping locations private seems to be an issue that's generally only applies to the sandbox that is UER. Go visit other UE sites from around the world and you'll see that most people are *much* more relaxed when it comes to sharing places with outsiders.