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LDB Policies
< on 5/29/2006 5:41 PM >
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A few people have been telling me that the LDB's policies need to be clearer.

I have taken the time to write this policy document.




Location Database Policies

Creation

Any full member may create a new Location Database entry. Once created, this entry becomes part of the UER community and does not "belong" to the person who created it.

Contribution

Any full member may contribute to the entry, in the form of photographs, stories, information, and so on. All contributions should be positive additions to the entry.

Removing or falsifying textual database information placed in the database by another member, or by yourself at a previous instance, shall be deemed as Vandalism of the Location Database, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.

Photographs

When you upload photographs to the UER Location Database, you are granting UER a license to display the photos alongside your name or credit. This license can be revoked by you (and you only) at any time, and the affected photos will subsequently be removed as soon as possible.

This policy only applies if you are the owner of the photographs in question. Any photos uploaded for which you do not have the distribution rights (photos you did not take) are not affected by the preceding policy.

Stories

When you create a new "story", you are granting UER a license to display the story alongside your name or credit. This license can be revoked by you (and only you) at any time, and the affected stories will subsequently be removed as soon as possible.

This policy only applies if you are the original author of the story. Any stories of which you are not the author (such as newspaper articles) are not affected by the preceding policy.

Unlicensed Content

UER hopes that all content uploaded by its members to the LDB is owned by those members. However, sometimes historical photographs, newspaper articles, or articles from other websites appear in the LDB.

UER follows the general policies of "Fair Use" in these cases. The information or photographs will be displayed until the original owner or license holder requests for them to be removed.

Disallowed Content

Any photographs depicting pornography are not allowed in the LDB.

Please ensure, if you are uploading photos containing unobscured faces, that you have the permission of the person(s) in those photographs.

UER reserves the right to selectively censor or delete any photographs which violate these policies.

Any kind of information which reveals entrance details (such as locations of fence holes, unlocked doors, etc) is not allowed.

Secrecy

The location database aims to keep sensitive information available to Full Members only. "Demolished" locations are not viewed as sensitive, and are thus viewable to all members and the public. The location creator has the ability to mark the entry as "Publically Viewable"; this feature is to be used when the location is not of a sensitive nature. Only the original creator and UER administration have the ability to change this setting.

If you wish to keep a location you have discovered from the Full Members of UER, do not enter it into the database with false information (such as 'nowhere' for the City). Just don't upload it at all, if it is that sensitive.



These policies may change in the future. Any changes will be posted in the Forum Announcements section for all to view.




Please post in this thread if you see anything I may have missed. Please keep the posts civil.


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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 1 on 5/29/2006 7:07 PM >
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Removing or falsifying textual database information placed in the database by another member, or by yourself at a previous instance


Once created, this entry becomes part of the UER community and does not "belong" to the person who created it.


adding a policy click-through to the location creation process would be nice; that way noone can claim ignorance.

furthermore, the concept of the creator being able to OPT-OUT of certain fields.

IE: i'm creating a location, but want to remove the ability for anyone, including myself to post ADDRESS, LAT/LON.

i see it as a checkbox next to each DB creation field that allows the creator to nullify "excessive" or "useless" details.

it'd take some coding, but that's what you're best at, this policy and social stuff isn't your forte, man.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 2 on 5/29/2006 7:15 PM >
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Posted by dev
IE: i'm creating a location, but want to remove the ability for anyone, including myself to post ADDRESS, LAT/LON.


Why should one person be able to decide what kind of data is "excessive" or "useless"?

If you are worried that one of UER's trusted full members will improve your location by contributing it, you should not put it into the database in the first place.

-av



adding a policy click-through to the location creation process would be nice; that way noone can claim ignorance.


I will do this once I have finalized the document.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 3 on 5/29/2006 8:20 PM >
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When you upload photographs to the UER Location Database, you are granting UER a license to display the photos alongside your name or credit. This license can be revoked by you (and you only) at any time.



UER reserves the right to selectively censor or delete any photographs which violate these policies.


How can you reserve the right to censor by editing the photo, if you've only been granted a license to display the photo?

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 4 on 5/29/2006 8:29 PM >
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Posted by stealthy
How can you reserve the right to censor by editing the photo, if you've only been granted a license to display the photo?


I wouldn't presume to answer for Av, but I assume this would only come into play if the third party depicted in the picture complains about it, thus being an unwanted invasion of the third partys' privacy. At that time i would assume it would either be removed or altered (although not without informing the original poster i would think).

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 5 on 5/29/2006 8:36 PM >
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I think its more of a privacy thing, that some people don't want their photo displayed publicly while committing an illegal act such as trespassing...... and if someone requests that their photo be censored and they wish to keep their identity a secret their is software on the LDB that allows the administration to do so.

The fact is, part of the policy suggests: "Please ensure, if you are uploading photos containing unobscured faces, that you have the permission of the person(s) in those photographs." so for this to be an issue you would of already violated one of the policies in the LDB. Perhaps just deleting the picture all together would be a better suggestion, that way it's just removed for violating the LDB's policies rather than altering the image to meet these standards.

We grant the license to display the photo as long as it meets theses requirements.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 6 on 5/29/2006 8:53 PM >
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Good read.... as I have a bunch of locations I'd like to add when I get approved for L3 Status..

The Guidelines will help...

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 7 on 5/29/2006 8:56 PM >
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Posted by stealthy
How can you reserve the right to censor by editing the photo, if you've only been granted a license to display the photo?


See above. Usually, if a rule is broken, the best action is to simply delete the photo. But sometimes, the affected area is so small that simply blurring it is the best choice.

If you don't want your photos to be censored, there are two easy steps to follow:

1. Don't upload any photos of faces without those people's permission
2. Don't upload any photos containing pornography, or private details about an individual (for example, someone recently uploaded photos of paperwork found in an abandoned house, including the guy's social security #. The number was censored.)

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 8 on 5/29/2006 9:27 PM >
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At the risk of being overly technical, I'd suggest that the best solution would be to delete the image entirely and leave it up to the submitter to decide if they'd like it edited. Given that ownership/copywrite remains with the submitter, it is a decision that can only be made by that person. As a reviewer, I'd submit that the only decision they should make is "allow or delete". Just my 2c.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 9 on 5/29/2006 10:14 PM >
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Posted by Avatar-X


See above. Usually, if a rule is broken, the best action is to simply delete the photo. But sometimes, the affected area is so small that simply blurring it is the best choice.

If you don't want your photos to be censored, there are two easy steps to follow:

1. Don't upload any photos of faces without those people's permission
2. Don't upload any photos containing pornography, or private details about an individual (for example, someone recently uploaded photos of paperwork found in an abandoned house, including the guy's social security #. The number was censored.)

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I really don't want to start an argument, but given that you only have the right to display the photo (you seem to have acknowledged this in the original post), blurring ought to be out of the question for everyone except the copyright holder.

Just my two cents, I reckon.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 10 on 5/29/2006 10:24 PM >
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Posted by Avatar-X

Why should one person be able to decide what kind of data is "excessive" or "useless"?


Because they're creating the database entry in question? First come, first serve; Early bird gets the worm; etc.

I'm still of the opinion that the database should have little more than country, state, city, location name, stories, galleries, comments.

this would foster communication; you like location that might be near you that's in the database, you PM or email the location creator and ask for specific details like the address or general location or lat/lon coords or whatever.

it would take away the shopping list factor of newbie locals and roadtrippers, where people have little concern with meeting local explorers, because they can just print off a list of addresses and GPS coords from UER and get in the car.

furthermore, for those who prefer to simply browse the database and comment and otherwise just have fun, regardless if they explore, it's not going to ruin their database browsing experience if they can't see the address and lat/lon coords for each location that they look at.

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If you are worried that one of UER's trusted full members will improve your location by contributing it, you should not put it into the database in the first place.


Then make this very clear, that once you submit any information other than photos and stories that you hold the copyright to, you've GIVEN that information to the community; for those that spend the time to do many hours of research and dig up specific information about a location, giving away those dozens of man-hours of work to the public domain without knowing so can be quite irritating.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 11 on 5/29/2006 10:29 PM >
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Posted by dev
Then make this very clear, that once you submit any information other than photos and stories that you hold the copyright to, you've GIVEN that information to the community; for those that spend the time to do many hours of research and dig up specific information about a location, giving away those dozens of man-hours of work to the public domain without knowing so can be quite irritating.


Didn't he just do that?

It was never really an issue for me...I always understood that the information I was placing on a semi-public resource was open to *ahem* everyone.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 12 on 5/29/2006 10:52 PM >
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Posted by -MisfitStyle-


Didn't he just do that?

It was never really an issue for me...I always understood that the information I was placing on a semi-public resource was open to *ahem* everyone.


I guess that I live in fear of the naivety of others.

Furthermore, I suppose that I don't like the feeling of encouraging people to submit information that they will then have no control over.




I think this is because I've been around for a long time, since when being a content providor meant being the content controller (ie: paying for your own hosting, or DIY hosting, where anything that you put up could also be removed, before the days of google cache and coral caching.)

I didn't grow up in a world where it was commonplace to give information to a forum or database and then have no control over the future of said information.

However, I suppose, times change. Whatever. Not my problem, until I see some major changes in the LDB, I won't submit a thing.


(off-topic stuff removed -- please do not discuss this here.)
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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 13 on 5/29/2006 10:53 PM >
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Holy shit, I've created at least a couple of phony towns; before you photographers start screaming hypocrite; I only did it because the places don't deserve the attention; most you could drive right by and not realize that there is any "explorable" territory.

One member ever asked me to make a location even more "vague" and I was happy to do so.

It's not that I don't trust people, it's that some places don't need the hassle of a bunch of jerks crawling all over some small town. They don't need that aggravation.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 14 on 5/29/2006 11:20 PM >
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Posted by dev
Then make this very clear, that once you submit any information other than photos and stories that you hold the copyright to, you've GIVEN that information to the community; for those that spend the time to do many hours of research and dig up specific information about a location, giving away those dozens of man-hours of work to the public domain without knowing so can be quite irritating.


I think this is because I've been around for a long time, since when being a content providor meant being the content controller (ie: paying for your own hosting, or DIY hosting, where anything that you put up could also be removed, before the days of google cache and coral caching.)



I think I did make it clear, in my above policy.

This is a community resource, something given should not be taken away again. I was even considering the idea of having the policy state "Once you've granted UER the right to display your photos, you cannot rescind that right" but I figured giving people control over their photos was more important than keeping the content together.

For example, in the Wikipedia -- if you write an article, and then later come back and remove all the stuff you wrote, it will be restored and you will probably be blocked. People who write for the Wikipedia understand that their writings become the property of the Wikipedia, and yet they still do it.

It's a community project, not a personal exhibition.

However, I suppose, times change. Whatever. Not my problem, until I see some major changes in the LDB, I won't submit a thing.


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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 15 on 5/29/2006 11:50 PM >
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Looks fair to me. If you don't like the idea it's simple enough to not use it. It's not the database that is a problem anyway, with it's removal clause it's more than fair, I think.

If there is a problem as far as I can discern it would be the very small fraction of members here that misuse the resource. They do so by trashing sites, loud parties, tagging, looting, etc which attracts the attention of that community or otherwise makes it impossible, or harder to visit those sites. Even so most times the rogue users garnish information from threads before it ever gets entered into the DB. So this concern goes beyond the DB, and as such modifying the DB's structure will not deter their misdeeds and negative effects on other members.

Most members I believe are serious about preserving sites until they are destroyed by either their owners, or nature. Which is how it should be.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 16 on 5/30/2006 12:01 AM >
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Posted by dev

I'm still of the opinion that the database should have little more than country, state, city, location name, stories, galleries, comments.

this would foster communication; you like location that might be near you that's in the database, you PM or email the location creator and ask for specific details like the address or general location or lat/lon coords or whatever.

it would take away the shopping list factor of newbie locals and roadtrippers, where people have little concern with meeting local explorers, because they can just print off a list of addresses and GPS coords from UER and get in the car.

furthermore, for those who prefer to simply browse the database and comment and otherwise just have fun, regardless if they explore, it's not going to ruin their database browsing experience if they can't see the address and lat/lon coords for each location that they look at.


I just wanted to say that I agree with every single word of this.


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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 17 on 6/4/2006 5:24 PM >
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Posted by dev


Because they're creating the database entry in question? First come, first serve; Early bird gets the worm; etc.

I'm still of the opinion that the database should have little more than country, state, city, location name, stories, galleries, comments.

this would foster communication; you like location that might be near you that's in the database, you PM or email the location creator and ask for specific details like the address or general location or lat/lon coords or whatever.


(highlighting mine)

I'm with dev and micro on this as well. I'm all for sharing loactions, but in the current shopping list format, as dev notes, there is no need for interaction between users. It just makes it too easy to locate and enter a location without any contact with other members of UER.

The idea of not posting entry details is certainly valid, but it only goes so far - knowing where the location is counts for 90% of it's infiltration - once there, anyone can usually find a way in (for the most part).

Av, you've been talking about possible changes to the LDB. I'm not necessarily suggesting the stripping of location details of existing LDB entries, but perhaps some sort of option to have a "Contact member for more info" button in lieu of a specific town would be a good alternative for new entries moving forward. It would certainly encourage more user to user communication, and perhaps foster more meets.


Posted by Avatar-XOthers will fill your place. The actions of one user do not affect the whole -- this is the nature of a community.


The thing of it is though, Av, is that dev isn't alone here. He might be the most vocal at the moment, but there are likely many who feel the same way that we do about this.

I can speak directly to this, and from very recent experience. I found an abandoned manufacturing plant just yesterday here in my little quiet part of New York, and it is beautiful - absolutely virginal, no tags at all, and vandalism limited to the few broken windows of the thrown rock variety.

The place is an absolute time capsule, filled with machinery and paper work and tools.. but frankly, hell if I'll ever post in on the current version of the LDB. I'm not about to let a place like this get trashed by those L3 members who have either slipped through the process, or might be less scrupulous than I... and we all know they exist.. we just had a thread about it in recent weeks.

The thing of it is, I *wish* I could share this place. I'm dying to - it's incredible. As far as I can tell, I'm one of the few people that's been in there in the past 15 years or so. But even taking others with me would give them the right to post it's location and details. This is why I think that dev's idea of the original location poster being able to limit what is posted about it (to wit: being able to exclude specifics - city, lat/lon, whatever) makes very good sense.

Yes, we're a community. We have an interest in sharing and discussing and exploring abandoned locations. But we have an obligation to also protect those locations. For me, that obligation carries more weight than that interest.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 18 on 6/6/2006 4:52 PM >
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Posted by The_Man_in_Black
perhaps some sort of option to have a "Contact member for more info" button in lieu of a specific town would be a good alternative for new entries moving forward. It would certainly encourage more user to user communication, and perhaps foster more meets.


In fact each location could have a subscribable list. Then if the original creator goes awol, others can adopt the abandoned abandonment.

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Re: LDB Policies
<Reply # 19 on 6/7/2006 9:55 PM >
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The abovementioned policies have now been implemented into the LDB. Anytime you create a new location, gallery, story, or panorama, you will be reminded of the policies.

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