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UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Oh, so that's what it was for.. (Viewed 1281 times)
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Oh, so that's what it was for..
< on 12/20/2005 5:57 PM >
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"An alleged white supremacist who police believe was intent on stirring up racial violence on Sydney's beaches insists some of the weapons and military gear seized from his car and home are not for rioting - they're for his hobby crawling around the city's abandoned sewers and drains."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17628364%255E2702,00.html
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 1 on 12/20/2005 6:03 PM >
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Wow...

I hope this fucker gets his nuts kicked off. Here's to hoping that white supremacy gets put down on a terrorism list in our respective countries because this shit needs to stop.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 2 on 12/20/2005 7:13 PM >
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Indeed.


"The court heard Mr Sanders was unemployed and lived with his girlfriend at his mother's home in Sydney's outer west." Ha!

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 3 on 12/20/2005 7:20 PM >
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Posted by seicer
I hope this fucker gets his nuts kicked off. Here's to hoping that white supremacy gets put down on a terrorism list in our respective countries because this shit needs to stop.


amen.
we've already tried making laws against discrimination in the US, but i think the time for that horseshit is over.
some things you can change by the ballot, some you things you must change with a bullet.

just my 2 cents.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 4 on 12/20/2005 7:22 PM >
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Posted by true_infinity
amen.
we've already tried making laws against discrimination in the US, but i think the time for that horseshit is over.
some things you can change by the ballot, some you things you must change with a bullet.

just my 2 cents.

~b


We had the KKK come to our locale a while back. NOT very well received at all, especially by our campus who came down in large numbers to protest this in-house terrorism group. I'd lock them all up, or maybe tie them to back of a big-rig...

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 5 on 12/20/2005 7:23 PM >
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Posted by katwoman
Indeed.


"The court heard Mr Sanders was unemployed and lived with his girlfriend at his mother's home in Sydney's outer west." Ha!


Or even more embarrassing:

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,17625061-5001021,00.html
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 6 on 12/20/2005 7:42 PM >
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Posted by seicer
maybe tie them to back of a big-rig...


*chuckles*
that would be great, cause then we could just send the rig off a cliff. lol

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Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing.
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 7 on 12/20/2005 9:17 PM >
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Drawn and quartered is the best solution.


Yes, we should have anti-KKK riots... Yes.

Kill them all.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 8 on 12/20/2005 9:33 PM >
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Freedom of speech means every idiot's opinion is valid, I'm afraid.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 9 on 12/20/2005 9:40 PM >
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Posted by SnakeCorp
Freedom of speech means every idiot's opinion is valid, I'm afraid.

Wrong. Not everyone's opinion is valid... I think you meant to say that everyone can state their opinion. That doesn't mean it's valid.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 10 on 12/20/2005 10:10 PM >
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Posted by SnakeCorp
Freedom of speech means every idiot's opinion is valid, I'm afraid.


i am a firm believer in the first amendment rights and such. but one of the founding ideals of the US was freedom from persecution, and the KKK openly incite and provoke persecution and violence against fellow citizens who are from the various races and nationalities that helped to Build this country.

inciting violence against non-violent countrymen simply because of thier race amounts to only one thing in my eyes...treason.

the US holds a high penalty for treason, death.

just my additional two cents, though, i dont mean to sound hostile towards anyone on this board.



~b

Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing.
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 11 on 12/20/2005 10:26 PM >
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you can tell its total BS when he says he needed the smoke grenades for UE. why in the hell would you need a smoke grenade for UEing?

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 12 on 12/20/2005 11:16 PM >
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The person in question is the leader of a group called The Tunnel Rats.
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 13 on 12/20/2005 11:34 PM >
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Don't be TOO quick to jump to conclusions. Sure, some of those items are awfully suspicious, but many of those things he really does carry UEing. I've seen his usual gear listed, and it includes allot of that stuff.

and why the HELL would you believe anything put forth by ANY media source!?!

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 14 on 12/21/2005 2:47 AM >
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True or not, it's not making explorers in Australia look very good at the moment, is it?

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 15 on 12/21/2005 2:58 AM >
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I dont know for sure if Val of The Tunnel Rats was indeed involved in organised white power groups. Either way he was very stupid doing what he did, and it has been made worse by the fact the media have now started using him as an example and scapegoat.

The Tunnel Rats group is not affiliated with any other exploring groups in Australia. This includes the Cave Clan, whom despite having the word 'clan' in its name, have never in its 20 years of operation been associated with racism, organised racism or indeed white power.
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 16 on 12/21/2005 4:42 AM >
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Posted by Bobtheallmighty
you can tell its total BS when he says he needed the smoke grenades for UE. why in the hell would you need a smoke grenade for UEing?


Well actually I can see the use depending on what your doing.. for a cave lets say you want to find the other entrances so you pop smoke and block the exit you know of then where the some pours outa is other ways in..
Either way if people wanna be racist oh well.. let'em be, thats up to them, but if they choose to try to do something with it (riot or incite violence) I personally am I big fan of firing squad..
At least in america people have the right to be morons..

And actually the only things that really don't make sence is the gas (but it was found in a car...) and kevlar helmets (unless he was a cop or military beforehand and thats just what he has for head protection).. the only really questionable thing in his room is unlicenced pistol
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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 17 on 12/21/2005 1:49 PM >
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True or not, it's not making explorers in Australia look very good at the moment, is it?
I read elsewhere on these boards that Australian UErs are collaborating with police against 'terrorism'. This is odd - there really is nothing approaching 'terrorism' in Australia (it's a *real* backwater, politically) - it's all hype and government propaganda to scare people and get them to approve fascist policies of control over the general population. Their scare tactics are working. I was really disappointed to read that Aussie UErs are collaborating with such b*******. Oh well, that's life I guess.. So, to link to the topic of this post: yes, for more reasons than the one that is the topic of this thread, explorers in Australia don't look very good at the moment



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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 18 on 12/21/2005 1:59 PM >
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Wrong. Not everyone's opinion is valid... I think you meant to say that everyone can state their opinion. That doesn't mean it's valid.

C.


Well, without going to far into meta-physics, every persons' opinion is valid to them. Which means, in a freedom of expression kinda way, every opinion is valid - while it is held.

Not every opinion is of value though.

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Re: Oh, so that's what it was for..
<Reply # 19 on 12/21/2005 5:33 PM >
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In regards to the Cave Clan member(s) working with the Counter Terrorism Taskforce, it was total bullshit. The opposition newspapers had fun paying out on The Telegraph for running with the story even though it wasn't true.

In regards to Australian explorers not looking good at the moment, as Siolo said, the Tunnel Rats are nothing at all to do with the Cave Clan... if anything they are (and definitely were) anti-Cave Clan.

I think that the exploring side of the story will die off quickly in the media. Most Australian's don't give a shit about who they sit next to on a bus, or moves in next door, but we did have the White Australian Policy up until the 70s so obviously there still is that element there. Add a multi-million dollar ad campaign aimed at terrorists - let's not beat around the bush, 'Arab' terrorists that has made Islamic people the Commies of the 2000s, a couple of group rapes that get blurted all over the papers "Leboes rape white girl!" and you have a recipe for disaster.

In regards to the word "Clan" being compared to "Klan". There is a world of difference between the two words in both the 'real' and 'exploring' world.

In regards to what I'm going to do about it all - a carload of us are going exploring for a few days.

I hope you all have a great festive season,

All the best,

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