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Batwing2 \|	What does the word "vadder" come from? < on 5/7/2004 12:14 PM >

	I am a swedish photograher, learning about UE. I wonder what the word "Vadder" comes from? And what does it mean? Is a person doing UE a vadder? [last edit 5/7/2004 12:36 PM by Batwing2 - edited 1 times]

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 1 on 5/7/2004 12:40 PM >

	some think it's derived from elevator, as vadders are known for enjoying playing in, on, and around elevators. Some also think it is derived from evading/evasion (edaver). I'm pretty sure the word came from the campus of MIT, where building hacking is/was not an uncommon activity. Here's a bit of info from the jargon file: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/v/vadding.html And from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadding Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Batwing2

Re: What does the word "vadder" come from?
<Reply # 2 on 5/7/2004 12:48 PM >

Posted by MacGyver
some think it's derived from elevator, as vadders are known for enjoying playing in, on, and around elevators. Some also think it is derived from evading/evasion (edaver). I'm pretty sure the word came from the campus of MIT, where building hacking is/was not an uncommon activity.

Here's a bit of info from the jargon file:
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/v/vadding.html

And from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadding

Thank you for your help and the links!

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 3 on 5/7/2004 1:35 PM >

	Glad to be a help. I didn't really address the last question, so I'll do so now. Urban exploration is a broad term that involves mainly a love for forbidden, abandonded, underground, etc. kinds of places. It can be split up into a lot of different categories and activities. Among these would be draining (exploration of storm drains), tunneling (steam tunnels, utility tunnels, transit tunnels, sewers, etc.), and vadding(what we described above). To me, vadding is all about buildings. Vadders are people that look at buildings as a challenge. They'll try to find all of the structure's little (and big!) hidden places and get as far as they can. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Mancubus \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 4 on 5/7/2004 4:29 PM >

	I always thought it was derived from the word "invader". People would invade abandoned places, and people would just call them that. Overtime they just shortened it to Vadder (pronounced vay-der). At least that's how I always thought it was. [last edit 5/7/2004 4:30 PM by Mancubus - edited 1 times]

junkyard location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat. \| \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 5 on 5/9/2004 4:15 PM >

	Batwing, you weren't part of the Groom Lake Interceptors by any chance were you? If so I was wondering if you were along with Tom when he found 928, I'm still looking for the plane, found the site where the pilot went down. I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner! Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite. Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com

uem-Tux Iron Wok Jan location: Montreal Gender: Male UE Geek \| \| \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 6 on 5/9/2004 11:02 PM >

	The word vadder comes from an old mainframe game students at MIT liked to play. "Adventure". The command to run the program was "adv" but since the system administrators were always removing the game, students renamed it to "vad" to make it harder to find. Hence "vadding". I originally read that definition on an extremely oldschool (possibly one of the first) college tunnel websites. This one: http://members.tripod.com/~tunnels/tunnels.html And here's the actual definition as it appears on the page: vadding: /vad'ing/ n. [from VAD, a permutation of ADV (i.e., admin's continual search-and-destroy sweeps for the game] A leisure-time activity of certain hackers involving the covert exploration of the `secret' parts of large buildings -- basements, roofs, freight elevators, maintenance crawlways, steam tunnels, and the like. A few go so far as to learn locksmithing in order to synthesize vadding keys. The verb is `to vad' (compare hack, sense 9). This term dates from the late 1970s, before which such activity was simply called `hacking'; the older usage is still prevalent at MIT. The most extreme and dangerous form of vadding is `elevator rodeo', a.k.a. `elevator surfing', a sport played by wrasslin' down a thousand-pound elevator car with a 3-foot piece of string, and then exploiting this mastery in various stimulating ways (such as elevator hopping, shaft exploration, rat-racing, and the ever-popular drop experiments). Kids, don't try this at home! [last edit 5/9/2004 11:04 PM by uem-Tux - edited 2 times] Urban Exploration Montreal Why are you the way that you are?

Batwing2

Re: What does the word "vadder" come from?
<Reply # 7 on 5/10/2004 9:24 AM >

Posted by junkyard
Batwing, you weren't part of the Groom Lake Interceptors by any chance were you? If so I was wondering if you were along with Tom when he found 928, I'm still looking for the plane, found the site where the pilot went down.

Sorry I am not the Batwing you´re looking for. I live in Sweden. But speaking about planes the swedish Navy just picked up a plane from the bottom of the sea that the russians shot down in the 50s.

tbone Gender: Male \|	Re: What does the word "vadder" come from? <Reply # 8 on 5/22/2004 3:14 AM >

	AFAIK, MIT. check the definition of hacking in the "jargon" file. model trains, steam tunnels, etc. for some reason I like mit.

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