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bulwark
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< on 3/2/2011 10:40 PM >
|  | | | I am doing some research on a story that I have heard about, which has a connection to Nova Scotia, during the 1800's.
I am looking for a milestone or boundry stone with a runic symbol of a crows foot (Broad Harrow). This symbol may have been used by the British military . This symbol may be accompanied by letters such as WD (War Department) or BM (Benchmark). It was used as a height reference point or benchmark for surveying and mapping. This symbol has been used for many centuries, and in earlier times, appears in relation to sun worshop and mystical powers or properties.
I would like to know if anyone, in their travels throughout HRM, has ever come across anything remotely similar to what I have described above. If so can you tell me about this symbol or marker, and where you saw it. Also if you have any pictures that would be cool also.
The story is a little far fetched, and I am looking at it as more of a puzzle, that I am trying to solve, more than anything else.
I've attached a photo of the symbol (hand drawn) that I am looking for.
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Elle
    
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Dartmouth, NS
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| | Re: Halifax Broad Harrow (Crows Foot) Symbol
<Reply # 1 on 3/3/2011 2:20 PM >
|  | | | My roommate is a Surveyor, so I'll chat him up and see if he knows anything/has seen anything. 
Elle
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bulwark
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<Reply # 3 on 3/4/2011 8:54 PM >
| | | | Hey, any information would be great. The symbol does not have to be exactly like the one I have drawn. But it should be similar or resemble it somewhat. I know that there are a lot of old forts and military bunkers around the city. I figured that some of the uer's, who have been exploring the hrm area, may have come across something like what i'm looking for.
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nootz
 
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Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 4 on 3/4/2011 8:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by tribeachpunk
I can't say for sure whether or not I've seen that mark.
If I have seen this mark or one similar, I know where it was. I have to go for a walk.
I'll let you know.
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Are you thinking of either the 18th AA Battery or some of the woods in behind YR??
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cormiermax
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<Reply # 5 on 3/4/2011 9:02 PM >
| | | | I know iv seen something similar to that before, not sure where or when but it looks very familiar.
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nootz
location:
Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 7 on 3/4/2011 10:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by tribeachpunk
IIRC I saw something in the woods at YR.
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I know the general area where it's at. Go down the path towards Practice Battery, then go off into the woods to the left of that path near the beginning and it's about half way between the path and the cliff near the cave.
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bulwark
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<Reply # 8 on 3/5/2011 12:16 AM >
| | | | I have been @ YR in the past, but have not done very much exploring off the beaton path. The area you are suggesting sounds intreaging. I had no idea about any caves. I am learning more and more every minute, just from the online researching I have been doing. If you come up with something concrete, let me know. Thanks
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nootz
location:
Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 9 on 3/5/2011 12:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by bulwark
I have been @ YR in the past, but have not done very much exploring off the beaton path. The area you are suggesting sounds intreaging. I had no idea about any caves. I am learning more and more every minute, just from the online researching I have been doing. If you come up with something concrete, let me know. Thanks
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I've gotta go out that way tomorrow anyways, I dropped the keys to one of the work trucks last weekend up there, so I'll bring my camera with me too.
Ok, you might not be able to see this bulwark, but here's the marker I'm talking about:
WDVI Marker
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nootz
location:
Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 11 on 3/5/2011 4:57 AM >
| | | | Ok, turns out if you're not a full member, then you can't see it, but here's what it is:
Have faith only in those who you trust. And hold who you trust close to you for you have no idea when you will need them most.
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nootz
location:
Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 13 on 3/6/2011 2:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by tribeachpunk
So whats 'WDVI' mean? Any guesses?
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Guess #1: War Department; Marker 6
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tjsmagic
location:
Dartmouth
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 14 on 3/6/2011 4:19 PM >
| | | | Another bit of info...A Bench Mark, known as a Sappers mark indicates the level above mean sea level. Also here is a site on which i have found several indications of these markings and a bunch found around here hope it helps enjoy....T.J.Homey
History - www.Waymarking.com
a small history on the term "sapper"...
A sapper, in the sense first used by the Assyrian Army in the early 7th Century BC[citation needed], was one who excavated trenches under defensive fire to advance a besieging army's position in relation to the works of an attacked fortification, which was referred to as sapping the enemy fortifications.
Saps were excavated by brigades of trained sappers or instructed troops. When an army was defending a fortress with cannon, they had an obvious height and therefore range advantage over the attacker's own guns. The attacking army's artillery had to be brought forward, under fire, so as to facilitate effective counter-battery fire.
This was achieved by digging what the French termed a 'Sappe'. Using techniques developed and perfected by Vauban, the sapeurs (sappers) began the trench at such an angle so as to avoid enemy fire 'enfilading' (passing directly along) the sappe. As they pressed forward, a position was prepared from which cannon could suppress the defenders on the bastions. The sappers would then change the course of their trench, zig-zagging their way toward the fortress wall.
Each leg brought the attacker's artillery closer and closer until (hopefully) the besieged cannon would be sufficiently suppressed for the attackers to breach the walls with their artillery. Broadly speaking, sappers were originally experts at demolishing or otherwise overcoming or bypassing fortification systems.........thanks wiki
one more maybe helpfull tid-bit for you...
crowfoot=broad harrow, the standard marking of than War Office, now Ministry of Defense.
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bulwark
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<Reply # 15 on 3/6/2011 9:21 PM >
| | | | Hey Folks,
Thanks for the informtation. It is very interesting. Still, i'm not sure if this is exactly what i'm looking for. I would like to hear more from tribeachpunk, and Cormiermax on what else you may have to add if anything.
I watched on video on youtube. Is this the cave you are talking about, or is it another one? The end of the 1st video shows the way to the cave. The 2nd video shows inside the cave.
http://www.youtube...atch?v=zT39kNsSfto
http://www.youtube...atch?v=LP-rruVrsGY
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nootz
location:
Lake Echo, NS
Gender: Male
Many will always go where only one is needed
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<Reply # 16 on 3/7/2011 1:06 AM >
| | | | That first video is the tunnel that is now boarded up. The second video is the cliff-side cave. You can get to it from the path that goes down towards York Shore Battery.
Have faith only in those who you trust. And hold who you trust close to you for you have no idea when you will need them most.
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tjsmagic
location:
Dartmouth
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 3/11/2011 1:46 AM >
| | | | i seen it!!! and now i know what and why your looking for it!!! if you ever make a trip out in search of a location i would be more then happy to even help with some more research!
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bulwark
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<Reply # 18 on 3/11/2011 5:52 PM >
| | | | Hey tjsmagic,
I would be interested in hearing what you know, to see what else I can learn. I still don't have the full story. Thanks. Also thanks to everyone who replied to my posts.
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tjsmagic
location:
Dartmouth
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 3/12/2011 7:24 PM >
| | | | heres a bit of info i found so i would do some more research on a man named "prince henry sinclair" hes attributed to this mystery of which u speak i think. I have more info if this seems more on the track of what your looking for hope it helps with a direction to search anyway....
Hence it would hardly seem strange to find Prince Henry Sinclair grandmaster of the Freemasons three-quarters of a century later. The question is what would he have been doing in Nova Scotia? Besides material treasure, some believe the Templars may have found documents which could potentially have shaken the foundations of the Catholic Church, documents which questioned some of their fundamental and long taught tenets. Perhaps what they possessed was simply too explosive to harbor in Scotland. Nova Scotia (or New Scotland) would have been a great alternative. This leaves me with one final question. What exactly was Sinclair hiding in Nova Scotia?
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