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lietmotif
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< on 1/5/2011 7:57 PM >
|  | | | I'd like to haul my portable pro studio into abandonments along with a model. I'm worried about lugging plastic bins and bags galore in, that someone will call the cops immediately. Hoping they assume we're supposed to be there, with all that gear? Any advice?
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<Reply # 1 on 1/5/2011 8:02 PM >
| | | | Seriously?
I would be concerned too. You might be better off getting permission if its going to be all that.
Otherwise, my advice would be, pair down and try to use as little gear as possible.
...or get a model with good upper body strength.
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lietmotif
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<Reply # 2 on 1/5/2011 8:10 PM >
| | | | I never steal or damage the places I visit, so I have no issue with asking... trouble is finding the right number to call. Also, if it's a dangerous site, I'd bet the answer will be no for legal reasons or something. You may have a point with cutting down as much as possible. Suddenly getting visions of trying to squeeze into windows with all that stuff....
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AnAppleSnail
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<Reply # 3 on 1/5/2011 8:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by lietmotif
I never steal or damage the places I visit, so I have no issue with asking... trouble is finding the right number to call. Also, if it's a dangerous site, I'd bet the answer will be no for legal reasons or something. You may have a point with cutting down as much as possible. Suddenly getting visions of trying to squeeze into windows with all that stuff....
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Find the property owner. County records, even a phone book may help. Show up dressed professionally, with a business card and a liability waiver. Or, yeah. Sneak in with minimal gear.
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Loki
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| | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 4 on 1/5/2011 9:24 PM >
| | | | Does this building see a lot of visitors? Maybe you could move in your stuff with a couple of trips?
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.Kyle
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<Reply # 5 on 1/5/2011 9:24 PM >
| | | | You really have three options:
I. Ask
II. Bring less
III. Get some friends to help you carry stuff
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<Reply # 6 on 1/5/2011 9:27 PM >
| | | | go at least one time and scout it out with minimal gear. then you'll have a good idea whether or not this is possible.
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<Reply # 7 on 1/6/2011 12:32 AM >
| | | | I think if you're going to bring gear in, it should all fit in a large backpack. Anything else will probably slow you down and possibly get you caught. Like the other members have posted previously reduce the amount of equipment you bring in if you even have to bring any gear at all.
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splumer
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| | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 8 on 1/6/2011 1:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by lietmotif
I never steal or damage the places I visit, so I have no issue with asking... trouble is finding the right number to call. Also, if it's a dangerous site, I'd bet the answer will be no for legal reasons or something. You may have a point with cutting down as much as possible. Suddenly getting visions of trying to squeeze into windows with all that stuff....
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You might also want to have a lawyer draft a form that states that you won't hold the owner liable for any injuries you or any of your entourage suffer while on site, and show that to the owner.
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| | | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 9 on 1/7/2011 5:43 AM >
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You might also want to have a lawyer draft a form that states that you won't hold the owner liable for any injuries you or any of your entourage suffer while on site, and show that to the owner.
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^^ Or you could find a similar one online and copy it, saving yourself hundreds or thousands of dollars. You know, just incase you don't have a lawyer on retainer for that kind of thing.
Unless you're willing to throw serious money at these things, even with lawyers on board to draft your document, you could still get hurt and sue and win in court. Find something to copy or add to. Not much use paying for something that says what you won't do, if you could still do it anyway and possibly get away with it.
"But ladies and gentlemen of the jury, when I signed that paper, was I suppose to expect that walkway to collapse under my feet? Should I have expected the owner to allow me to trod upon ground which wasn't SAFE??
See?
What I think...
You should, over time and many trips, smuggle in oxy/acet welding equipment and plate steel and some other hardware, and fabricate a large steel box, which would be almost theft-proof. Then with several more trips, you could smuggle in the things you want to use for the shoot, and stow them in the lock box.
Then eventually you'll have enough stuff held securely at the location, in order to do the shoot, then sneak it all back out, and you won't have to worry about it being stolen in the meantime, or going in with too much stuff.
(or you could pack less and make it work) 
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splumer
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| | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 10 on 1/7/2011 1:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
Unless you're willing to throw serious money at these things, even with lawyers on board to draft your document, you could still get hurt and sue and win in court. Find something to copy or add to. Not much use paying for something that says what you won't do, if you could still do it anyway and possibly get away with it.
"But ladies and gentlemen of the jury, when I signed that paper, was I suppose to expect that walkway to collapse under my feet? Should I have expected the owner to allow me to trod upon ground which wasn't SAFE??
See?
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Indemnify & hold harmless agreements are pretty standard in the pro audio/video/lighting industry, in which I used to work. It was standard procedure for riggers to know what they're hanging from and what the capacity is. So, if the ceiling collapsed because they hung too many VL2000's from one rigging point, it's their fault if they fell or were crushed by falling truss. That's why riggers are certified.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
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Therrin
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| | | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 11 on 1/8/2011 1:36 AM >
| | | | Right, so what you're saying is... these agreements already exist. All over the place; for PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSES. Right?
So, for an INDIVIDUAL on a limited budget, do you think he could possibly find an existing agreement which he can mold to his needs, or that he should hire a lawyer and pay such legal fees? And then go out first and get the certifications for electrical and rigging and so on and so forth...
lets total up the monetary amount here somehow, based on what you suggest, then give him a rough dollar amount in thousands of dollars, for how you're suggesting this guy do this.
**EDIT** Oh! don't forget insurance! He'll need to pay for that too! Several different kinds probably!
(or he could take less gear)
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splumer
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| | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 12 on 1/11/2011 4:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
Right, so what you're saying is... these agreements already exist. All over the place; for PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSES. Right?
So, for an INDIVIDUAL on a limited budget, do you think he could possibly find an existing agreement which he can mold to his needs, or that he should hire a lawyer and pay such legal fees? And then go out first and get the certifications for electrical and rigging and so on and so forth...
lets total up the monetary amount here somehow, based on what you suggest, then give him a rough dollar amount in thousands of dollars, for how you're suggesting this guy do this.
**EDIT** Oh! don't forget insurance! He'll need to pay for that too! Several different kinds probably!
(or he could take less gear)
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Well, obviously take less gear. But if you're a professional photog, or even semi, it might be worth it. And I don't think it would cost as much as you think.
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AnAppleSnail
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| | | | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 14 on 1/11/2011 10:20 PM >
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Your model can't carry anything?
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Most models suck, unfortunately. They are fragile daisies not meant to survive the harsh realities of the world. Explorer/models kick far more ass.
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Therrin
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| | | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 15 on 1/14/2011 1:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
Well, obviously take less gear. But if you're a professional photog, or even semi, it might be worth it. And I don't think it would cost as much as you think.
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I agree that for a full-time professional it would be better to have all those things.
How much do you think it would cost, for all the certifications we've listed, insurance, papers drawn up by lawyers, etc?
Most cert's (worth anything) require training and testing. Few of them are very cheap. And since he's a single operator he'd have to get them all for himself.
Throw out a number.
(yeah, models don't carry stuff...unless its money. Or cocaine.)
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splumer
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| | Re: Getting in.... with lots of gear
<Reply # 16 on 1/18/2011 2:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
I agree that for a full-time professional it would be better to have all those things.
How much do you think it would cost, for all the certifications we've listed, insurance, papers drawn up by lawyers, etc?
Most cert's (worth anything) require training and testing. Few of them are very cheap. And since he's a single operator he'd have to get them all for himself.
Throw out a number.
(yeah, models don't carry stuff...unless its money. Or cocaine.)
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I don't think you need any certifications. All you're doing is saying, legally, that you won't sue if you get hurt while in an abandonment. Couple hundred, maybe? I remember seeing a web site that has DIY legal forms. They probably have one on there a lot cheaper.
Edit: Well, here you go!
http://www.giveawa...less-agreement.php
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