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wopke Gender: Male \|	Is this picture crooked? < on 11/21/2010 1:15 AM >

	Or maybe distorted? I dunno but it just doesnt seem straight in some way. Input plz. I tried being reasonable, I didnt like it. - Clint Eastwood

Liska location: Western Massachusetts Gender: Female \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 1 on 11/21/2010 1:18 AM >

	Distortion at the top of the door frame, it looks tilted towards the viewer edit: it also looks tilted to the right some [last edit 11/21/2010 1:19 AM by Liska - edited 1 times]

wopke Gender: Male \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 2 on 11/21/2010 1:29 AM >

	is this better? I tried being reasonable, I didnt like it. - Clint Eastwood

Liska location: Western Massachusetts Gender: Female \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 3 on 11/21/2010 2:05 AM >

	Yup! IMHO at least

cinemetog location: Huntsville Gender: Male \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 4 on 11/21/2010 2:39 AM >

	You have pincushion distortion (from the lens), perspective distortion (camera not level), slightly leaning to the left (camera rotated), and the door way isn't quite in the middle of the frame. It is hard to tell from just looking at the picture, but the door frame looks crooked or the back wall and the wall with the door aren't parallel. It may just be from the camera angle and the use of a wide angle lens. Edit: All of this can be fixed if Photoshop. If you have it I can help you through the steps. [last edit 11/21/2010 2:40 AM by cinemetog - edited 1 times]

\/adder location: DunkarooLand Gender: Male I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race. \| \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 5 on 11/21/2010 5:21 AM >

	bubble level. prime lens. problem solved. "No risk, no reward, no fun." "Go all the way or walk away" escensi omnis...

wopke

Gender: Male

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 6 on 11/21/2010 1:39 PM >

Posted by cinemetog

Edit: All of this can be fixed if Photoshop. If you have it I can help you through the steps.

that would be great. I'm no photoshop wizard

I tried being reasonable, I didnt like it. - Clint Eastwood

Jai

location:
Colorado
Gender: Female

just down this 5 1/2 minute hallway...

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 7 on 11/21/2010 4:43 PM >

Posted by TheVicariousVadder
bubble level.

prime lens.

time machine.

problem solved.

cinemetog location: Huntsville Gender: Male \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 8 on 11/21/2010 5:36 PM >

	Well the door frame and the room aren't level together, so if you want to fix this part it gets a little involved. You will need to select the door frame and the wall, but not the frame and the floor. Copy that to a new layer. The room/floor will be the background layer and the wall/doorframe will be the foreground layer. Now you will correct the distortion on both layers and combine. We will start with the foreground layer. Hide the background layer and make sure the foreground layer is selected then click on the filter tab and then lens corrections (CS5, may be different in yours). Using this we will correct the pincushion distortion. If there is an auto correction and manual correction tab, make sure you select manual. Turn on the grid if it isn't already on and move the remove distortion slider to the left. The lighting in the image will make it hard to judge the right amount, but just stay focused on the lines and make them all straight. My version looks right at about -2.45. Your full size image might be slightly different. Ok, the perspective distortion is removed in the foreground layer, but we still have perspective distortion and some rotation to fix. So using the same lens correction tool, we are able to fix these at the bottom using the vertical/horizontal perspective and the rotation correction tool. I ended up with vert:+6 hor:+2 rot:.25 Click ok to apply the changes and close out of the lens correction prompt. Now we will do the same thing to the background layer. Hide the foreground, show the background and make sure the background is selected then open the lens correction prompt again. And do the same thing. Remember that you want the back wall/ceiling line and the back wall floor line to be parallel, the same with the walls, and then you want all of that square with each other. I ended up with Remove Distortion: -2.45 Vert:+6 Hor:0 Rotation: .46 Click ok to apply the changes and close out of the lens correction prompt. Now we are very close to the end. Show both layers at the same time, then hide the foreground layer. See the slight change? fixing that is our next step. We will want to use the content-aware fill tool if you have CS5, or just clone to extend the background layer to cover these changes. Just watch for lines and make sure you watch them us while you are doing this. Here is my fixed version of your image posted. I hope you don't mind me posting it. [last edit 11/21/2010 5:36 PM by cinemetog - edited 1 times]

jinx13

location:
Peninsula, San Francisco Bay Area
Gender: Male

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 9 on 11/23/2010 5:41 AM >

Posted by Jai
time machine

QFT!

I've learned the hard way that sometimes the best thing to do is go back and redo it.

I don't think that's totally necessary for this one. Then again if the insides of the room were a little more sharp that'd make it awesome. Trying to get the door frame and the interior in focus may be too tall of an order but if that's the case, just take the interior -- unless of course the door frame is particularly awesome.

Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

ahhntzville location: Boston \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 10 on 11/23/2010 7:24 PM >

	It's both crooked and distorted. Rather than all the post processing fiddling, you could also be careful to take the shot straight to begin with. Center yourself in the doorframe, both horizontally and vertically, and shoot straight and level ahead. As far as the barrel distortion goes, depending on whether or not this works for the shot, you can usually back up and zoom in to rid yourself of the distortion, which is worst with the lens wide open.

wopke

Gender: Male

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 11 on 11/24/2010 3:56 PM >

Posted by cinemetog
Well the door frame and the room aren't level together, so if you want to fix this part it gets a little involved. You will need to select the door frame and the wall, but not the frame and the floor. Copy that to....

I dont mind it at all! I love what you did with it! thanks! I'll go ahead and practice some more. I do not have CS4 or CS5, I just have photoshop elements.

thnx dude! thnx all!

I tried being reasonable, I didnt like it. - Clint Eastwood

Street Ghost location: Charlotte,NC Gender: Male \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 12 on 2/4/2011 9:12 PM >

	Not if you hold your mouth the right way.

Therrin This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: North of Chicago, IL Gender: Male *Therrin puts on the penguin-suit \| \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 13 on 2/4/2011 10:56 PM >

	You might not be able to tell if you're really high. Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

Xanderrrrrr

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 14 on 2/6/2011 10:48 PM >

Posted by TheVicariousVadder
bubble level.

prime lens.

problem solved.

Yeah. Doing it camera is always 10x more respectable, and how it should be done (I think). Any old blockhead can snap 10-stop brackets and straighten, and color correct, and do all that bullshit; the real skill is getting what you want right then and there.

Film helps.

desmet When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. \| \| \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 15 on 2/10/2011 3:54 AM >

	Nice shot. I think you had both lens distortion and crookedness in there. The last version is best.

Noss4ra2 location: Delaware Gender: Male \|	Re: Is this picture crooked? <Reply # 16 on 2/10/2011 4:29 PM >

	In Lightroom 3 there's lens correction feature that's pretty good for fixing lines. You sacrifice some field of view, but it works well for pulling in minor distortion. "Insanity is relative. It depends on who has who locked in what cage." Ray Bradbury

terapr0

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Sauga City
Gender: Male

www . tohellandback . net

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 17 on 2/11/2011 11:56 PM >

Posted by Xander Fischer
Film helps.

exactly how so? how could a film medium have improved this image?
poor composition and distortion are not inherent to digital, nor are they absent from film.
many variables are at work to create a distorted image, and film vs. digital sensor sure as hell isnt one of them.
camera, angle, lens, focus, zoom, composition - all important factors. what's sitting behind the lens, be it a piece of film or a digital sensor is only capturing the light thats being thrown at it...

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\/adder

location:
DunkarooLand
Gender: Male

I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.

Re: Is this picture crooked?
<Reply # 18 on 2/12/2011 12:06 AM >

Posted by terapr0
exactly how so? how could a film medium have improved this image?

I'm a lot more careful when composing on film vs digital, you only have so many shots you can take on a roll of film and you can't chimp to see if it's good or not. Walgreens film scans are only 1800x1200 or so, my 8.1mp dslr has twice that ratio, that's twice as much to work with. I looked into professional scans but they start at $10 each plus development costs. Film scanners are too slow for me and I lack patience.

"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis...

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