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CyanFlek \|	Surveillance Cameras < on 4/14/2004 12:51 AM >

	I was feeling out a building on campus today and i noticed a single security camera watching the area i need to go. Any advice on getting passed it? -cf

Servo \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 1 on 4/14/2004 12:54 AM >

	Does it move? If it's fixed, you can do a stick-to-the-wall thing and sneak under it, depending on how it's placed. If it rotates, you'll have to try and time it... and if it looks down a hallway, well then you're kinda out of luck. A description of the area's layout relative to the camera would help. Diagrams would help more.

CyanFlek \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 2 on 4/14/2004 1:05 AM >

	Okay, i'll try to describe it as best i can. The camera over looks a small foyer. Standing at the main entrance of the building, you'll be looking straight at a large set of stairs, underneath those stairs is a set of stairs to the basement. To the left of the stairs about 5 or 6 meters is the camera. We'll be coming up from the basement, and we need to get up the main set of stairs. The camera itself did not appear on while i was there, but that was during the day, so they may only turn it on at night. The camera also did not appear as though it could move. -cf

Servo \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 3 on 4/14/2004 1:07 AM >

	Well, the only advice then I can give you is to go back to the area and try to look for blind spots. Other than that, just wear facemasks and try to go by quickly, and have another good escape route if security comes. Are there any motion detectors that you can see? And just because there's no red LED doesn't mean the camera isn't on.

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 4 on 4/14/2004 2:38 AM >

	You're overlooking the easiest way past this camera. What kind of area of what kind of building is this? How is whoever watches the cameras going to know that you're not supposed to be there? (unless you're doing this after the building is closed to the public) There is also a good chance (depending on the type of building and type of security) that there is nobody watching the camera(s). A lot of times, cameras just record to a tape, and security goes back and watches parts of the tape if something is reported, like a theft, riot, vandalism, suspicious activity, etc. Very rarely is there actually someone staring at the screen watching for something to happen. The easiest way to pass the camera is to not act suspiciously at all. Do what it takes to make like you belong there. If a bunch of normal people are on the tape and a few other normal-looking people walk by, how is someone to know that you don't belong, even if they are actively watching a monitor? Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Servo

Re: Surveillance Cameras
<Reply # 5 on 4/14/2004 3:07 AM >

Posted by MacGyver
(unless you're doing this after the building is closed to the public)

Well, that was my assumption, that he was going after hours. But what you say is very true, there's no need for sneakyness if the building is open when you go -- a bit of social engineering is all you need.

HAMMERTIME location: Reading Pennsylvania Gender: Male mmm, a box . . . just a box \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 6 on 4/14/2004 3:23 AM >

	If stealth isn't an issue, and you're not into face putty and disguises, there are a few ways to walk past a camera without the camera getting a quality picture of you. Turning your hat down low on your head practically screams out "I'M TRYING TO AVOID THE CAMERA, SECURITY PLEASE COME CHECK ME OUT !!!", However, an operative . . . er, a UEer can use deception to bypass the camera. 1) Carry a backpack or duffel bag and walk while acting like you are searching for something inside of the duffel bag. 2) Drop your hat from your head, bend over and reach for it and then "accidentally" kick it forward and continue leaning over as you move forward (this only works for a short hallway, of course, or you will draw attention and laughs from everyone nearby as you kick your hat down the hall.) 3) Take a pair of glasses in your hand, look down and act like you are cleaning the lenses as you move forward. 4) Drop change on the floor and then bend over, move forward and collect the change, while keeping your face hidden from the camera. 5) Blow your nose into a hanky or tissue as you walk past the camera. Once, past the camera, it is a good idea to change clothing (reversible jacket for instance), if necessary. As far as stealth, I look through catalogs and find out what fake video security cameras look like in order to determine if the camera is real. (I have too many pictures of these in my files to list - fake cameras are a popular security item and some even have the blinky light, fake coaxil cable, and motion sensors to appear real) Trojan horse techniques are a possibly, have a friend wheel you past the camera in a trash can, laundry bin, AV or service cart, a box (mmm, a box, just a box), etc. and he then walks back out the way he came; making security think the only person to walk past the camera has left. Blind spots are also a possibility, but they are hard to determine since cameras can have wide angle view and maybe zoom capability. What is the background, can you kill the lights or power (many cameras have low lux light ability, so turning off the lights doen't always work), how many guards are available, can they be diverted or distracted. Or create a microwave emitter that won't fry your own brain and zap that critter. Maybe there's one available on Ebay if the CIA gets desperate for money. Hammer Here is one example of a fake camera

Servo \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 7 on 4/14/2004 4:38 AM >

	HAMMERTIME, this is not a James Bond movie. Like ~~Krazy~~ Mac said, the best thing to do is just walk past the camera as if you belong there. Most of the stuff you suggested would make you look much more suspicious to someone watching through the camera. As for frying the camera, killing power, etc... then you are causing property damage. I don't think that's anything you need to even be considering.

HAMMERTIME location: Reading Pennsylvania Gender: Male mmm, a box . . . just a box \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 8 on 4/14/2004 5:40 AM >

	Damn, thought this was "A View to an Octopussy" or "The World is not Hammer's", seriously though, we have to differentiate between a stealth operation (getting past the camera during off hours, when the camera may be monitored - stress on "may be") and a daytime / normal hours operation where you need to walk past the camera without drawing attention. If you can just walk past the camera, you will need to look and dress like everyone else who is permitted in the area. If were talking about a college camera, than yeah, just walk past it carrying some books. But if the security guards know you don't belong, you need to hide your face in a discreet way. I was kidding about the microwave emitter but I do believe that they can work to distrupt a camera system. (I remember watching a show where college students tried to simulate a crop circle where the wheat was fried and they used a microwave emitter - it fuzzed the television camera and the helicopter that flew over the area to film the documentary, momentarily lost power {damn alien spacecraft propulsion systems}) I suppose for a stealth op, you have two choices, run past it as quick as possible and hope no one notices on the monitor or move from one point of cover (large potted plant i.e.) to another. Having a friend open an emergency exit door or stand in front of another camera and give the security guards the finger may divert attention or cause the security guards to leave the monitoring room , which would allow the infiltrator to move past the camera without being seen.

darkism Gender: Male hop on the bandwagon \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 9 on 4/14/2004 6:28 AM >

	Just walk past the damn thing.

Mark Very Noble Donor location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole? \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 10 on 4/14/2004 4:16 PM >

	may I please point to the post Spec-Ops has in the other section about GETTING CAUGHT! Walking by when able to is great. However Hammer gives great info for active sites. I personally would cover the face and try to walk by myself. Or balaclava it. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles"

Servo \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 11 on 4/14/2004 4:21 PM >

	I think before this goes any farther, we need to find out if CyanFlek was talking about going when the building is open and has people in it, or when it's closed and no-one's supposed to be there.

nofear location: Scotland, UK Gender: Male \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 12 on 4/14/2004 5:18 PM >

	if you can be there at night act drunk and use that silly spray or beer whatever to spray over the cam and there ya go i've done it once and uni and the security never thought anything of it! [last edit 4/14/2004 5:19 PM by nofear - edited 1 times]

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 13 on 4/14/2004 5:25 PM >

	...now how old are you? Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Plytheman location: Lawrence, Massachusetts Obey The Deer \| \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 14 on 4/14/2004 7:53 PM >

	If its a building that your in often, try to find out what the security office is set up like. Like at my school, all the cameras go to a little office in the library. Theres rarely anyone in there and at three o clock they close up and shut the lights off. That way I know for a fact that noone is watching off hours (unless teh lady comes back to do work and happens to see the moniter...) Obviously, my school isn't high security, but just take a look around if you can and see how likely it is that someone will be watching. First step to UrbEx (infiltration esp.) should be recon. I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!! -Byrne

Joecat location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Gender: Male DRAINS \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 15 on 4/14/2004 11:32 PM >

	urg those terrible fake cameras, some are obviously fake and some arnt nearly so easy to tell. The obvious ones are like the one hammer posted with the blinking red light and the motion sensor. I know for a fact those big bulky, grey, tubular shaped ones are real, I stole one.... And I hear talk of those small 'dome' cameras they put in schools (such as mine) are also fake, whats the word on those? [last edit 4/14/2004 11:38 PM by Joecat - edited 1 times] "Dane, what the hell is a 'sanitarium?'" "Don't know, why?" "We're in one."

Urban Caver Donor location: San Antonio, Tx Gender: Male quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur \| \| \| \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 16 on 4/15/2004 2:11 AM >

	some are, some arent... I have a 5 of the old tube style cameras that all look identical, 2 of them are fakes, the rest work... connectors are the same all around, on one of the fake ones the 24v leads go to a circuit board which powers the led on it, on the other, there is no led or board, but it still has the exact same power terminals and bnc connector on it.. The dome cams are the same way, some are real, some are fake... i've made it a practice to just avoid them all if i can manage as there really is not an easy way to tell fake from the authentic. While i am certain some places may buy the hokey ones similar to the one pictured above, most companies that are willing to shell out the money for cameras, will usually opt for cored out versions of the same cameras as props. As far as the ultra small dome and "pen" style cameras, they are used in many shops around here, it has been my experience that the majority of them are real.

HAMMERTIME location: Reading Pennsylvania Gender: Male mmm, a box . . . just a box \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 17 on 4/15/2004 2:43 AM >

	If I'm indoors and want to check out the ceilings for domes or high placed cameras without looking suspicious, I'll sometimes clean my glasses and hold them up to the light, acting as if I'm checking for smudges. Another option is to hold up a film negative and act like you are looking at it, while checking for security. You can also put eye drops in your eyes and check for cameras while you are doing it. As far as outdoor cameras, any thoughts on using a fog machine? You would need to have a power supply for it (change the AC to DC).

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Re: Surveillance Cameras
<Reply # 18 on 4/15/2004 3:12 AM >

Posted by HAMMERTIME
As far as outdoor cameras, any thoughts on using a fog machine? You would need to have a power supply for it (change the AC to DC).

....so in essence you are saying a huge cloud (as you'd need quite a bit of fog to cover you) would be less suspicious than a guy walking by the camera?

when i worked event security, we seldom bothered with people walking past cameras, but we'd be there in a heartbeat if something resembling large amounts of smoke showed up on a cam.

Plytheman location: Lawrence, Massachusetts Obey The Deer \| \|	Re: Surveillance Cameras <Reply # 19 on 4/15/2004 6:46 PM >

	Dress up in black robes while your at it, glide by in the mist and scare the security from bothering you =D Large amounts of smoke are never a good thing... Creative, tho... I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!! -Byrne

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