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Solid Shadow
 
location:
Fredericton, New Brunswick
Gender: Male
"I have clouded your mind so you cannot see me"
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<Reply # 40 on 5/17/2003 3:12 PM >
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Wait a tic. If you were picked up for tresspassing, why would they want to take apart a pen to examine it?
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They might be looking for illegal drugs like pills or something. If they really suspect you of something, they'll probably leave no stone unturned. Kinda like a strip search of your possessions.
Then there's always the possibility that authorities have read this thread and have penciled it into their notebooks as another possible hiding place for lock picks. Which personally I would not rule out.
Who knows what places lurk abandoned to the minds of men?...The Shadow knows...MUHAAAA HAAA HAAA HAA! |
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theevilshiftkey
location:
Tucson, AZ
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 41 on 5/18/2003 7:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pyrodesiac
Wait a tic. If you were picked up for tresspassing, why would they want to take apart a pen to examine it?
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Because I'm paranoid. 
I like to cover all the bases when it's regarding my criminal record and possible jail time.
It occured to me that I always have my cell phone on me and as long as it still functioned normally I don't expect anyone would bother trying to disassemble it. I might make that my new pick hiding place, but the tension wrench is always the toughest one to hide...
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Pyrodesiac
location:
NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
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<Reply # 42 on 5/18/2003 9:29 PM >
| | | | Fair enough. Better safe than dead, as I always say.
Only turkies have left wings.
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Freak
   
location:
Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
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<Reply # 43 on 5/24/2003 4:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by theevilshiftkey
I've had this idea for quite a while now of a credit card sized object I could keep in my wallet to store a few select picks.
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I made a lock-pick holder out of one of those credit-card calculators, but since I'm not very good at lockpicking it's kind of useless. The calculator holds 4 standard type picks (slightly shorter handles) and a small tension wrench. It stopped working after I modified it, if you want to be really secure make sure the calculator still functions so it isn't suspicious.
I was going to post my method for decoding sesame and master combination padlocks, but I think that would be considered B&E and should probably stay off here.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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Pyrodesiac
location:
NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
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<Reply # 44 on 5/25/2003 12:19 AM >
| | | | You can get really cool swiss army knives that are the size and shape of credit cards, that fit in your wallet.
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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Rockman
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 45 on 7/27/2003 9:56 AM >
| | | | Lockpicking can be quite easy if you have the knack for it. I'm not an expert by any means, but I picked up a Southord set a while ago and had some fun with them. I can do most of the deadbolts in my house really qickly (at best 10 seconds). If you get a good rake you can scrub most locks open. Definitely worth investing $20 and a few hours of your time in.
My biggest. accomplishment happened when a friend of mine was staying at the appartment of another friend, who had locked the deadbolt (there were two locks, and she only had a key for one). Under pressure (steps coming down the stairwell) I managed to get it open. Believe me, these things can be fairly easy to use. Keep in mind that most big institutions (schools etc) will have more difficult locks than your average house, but then again, there's other ways around them.
The simplest I've heard of involves locks where the bolt springs in (not deadbolts) - just stick a bar magnet or similar item down the shaft that it slides into, and presto! That door will now open easy as pie. I've also heard of this done by taping over the bolt. If you have access to a site and can pull this off covertly it's a great way to get access later. Please excuse my ignorance of the terminology, though, I hope you can figure it out.
As for breaking and entering, not the best idea legally, but if I was being followed (cops, security or some crazy junkie with a knife), I would seriously fucking consider a good "breaking and exiting". Also it depends what you're doing. Exploration is one thing but if you're a squatter or something (not the subject matter here, but still relevant) and freezing your ass off in the middle of the night, crowbaring a board off an old window board would look REALLY tempting. It all really comes down to your own discretion though - how much DO you want to get in?
BTW: Does anyone know a decent source of lockpicks in southern ontario that doesn't involve ordering or making them? Those things only last for so long, and learning to pick has ruined a few of my favourites.
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Pazrul
location:
Seattle, WA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 46 on 10/14/2003 7:58 AM >
|  | | | I haven't done it personally, but I've seen pictures of people making lockpicks out of hacksaw blades. Its all at http://www.lockpicking101.com I've been looking to aquire some real picks, but I can't find anywhere in Seattle that sells them, and its illegal to mail them to anyone who's not a locksmith or repo man essentially. Anyone know somewhere to find them? I can only do so much with a filed screwdriver and bobby pins.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star."
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Mustard Gas Party
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<Reply # 47 on 10/16/2003 7:52 AM >
|  | | | Im going to keep this folder up for only a few days, so I hope you enjoy. Its a complete how to pick any lock with figures and all that swell stuff.
http://b.f11.org/lock/
enjoy and have a nice day.
brandon
i like to play inside ruins.
Dear Sir, We must regretfully inform you that due to the costly and unjust occupation of a strategically irrelevant country the National Guard has been withdrawn. You are free to run amok beneath the city at your leisure.
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Mister Hobbs
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<Reply # 48 on 10/27/2003 4:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
about kicking in doors:
"...besides the consequences for being caught, when whoever owns the building that door is a part of sees what has been done, they will get pissed off and seal the place up tightly. Then you will not be able to return and other people won't be able to see it. kicking doors in isn't exploration. it's blatant vandalism and doesn't belong here.
This is very true. However, one should consider that "Urban Exploration," no matter how "noble" the pursuit and regardless of the innocent and equally interesting pastime you find it to be...is usually illegal anyway. In most cases, it would be "criminal trespass." Unless you can talk your way out of it, etc. Which should be rather amusing in some cases where you have a digital camera on you, various flashlights and God only knows what else. They will usually know by the camera or a videocamera that you are no mere burglar, but you would still be guilty of criminal trespass and I am not betting on you being released by a Police Officer or a Security Guard.
I agree with you about Forced Entry Methods, i.e., "Destructive Entry." It should be avoided at all costs because it is destruction of private, or public property. That would be added onto the charge of criminal trespassing, not good...
I say all of that to segue into commenting on this statement:
| "...as for lockpicking, I'd like to see you actually pick a real in-the-door lock in under 10 minutes. That takes a locksmith with more specialized toola than you are going to scare up. There are bad consequences for being caught trespassing with lockpicking tools. Probably worse than for being caught having kicked in a door. think about that. |
There are consequences when caught trespassing, period. End of story. Is it going to look worse because you had some lockpicking equipment? Yeah, probably so. Just as it would look bad if you had ANY hand tools on you whatsoever because when you are where you are not supposed to be in the first place, ANY hand tool is considered, "Burglar's Tools."
If you are found in possession of a simple screwdriver and you are some place that you should not be anyway, i.e., on posted (and sometimes not posted) property, you could face a charge of Burglary Tools, whatever it is called where you are. Don't believe me? Go ahead and find out for yourself. Heh heh heh, you'll see the lowly screwdriver become a "Burglary Tool" very quickly indeed.
What I would suggest you focus on is simply learning everything you need to know about camouflage, cover and concealment. Learn about stealth, make that second nature and then you are probably not going to get caught in the first place, right?
If you do get spotted and you know that confrontation is inevitable, do not make hasty movements towards law enforcement or you will be shot in this day and age, pure and simple. Do not screw around with the authorities involved in your hobby. Look at it as a friendly game of cat and mouse, but understand that the cat in the equation can kill you if you act stupid.
In other words, sometimes the cat does not know that you are involved in a hobby, (s)he is unaware of the nature of the "game."
If you are spotted and capture is inevitable, get rid of any tools you have on you, period. Get out of the vision of the person (duck around a corner, etc.) and chuck the tool(s) as hard as you can in an area that is unlikely to be of interest once you get snagged. Do not look towards that area at all. Do not "want" your tools back, they are disposable, think of them as a Bic Pen or Bic Lighter or even a Bic Shaver. They're gone, when you buy them, consider them already gone that way you will not hesitate to throw them as hard as you can when you have to.
As for the comments about not being able to pick a lock in a door, in the real world, in under ten (10) minutes and that taking "specialized" Locksmithing Tools, etc. That is incredibly funny. Just what do you think Locksmiths carry? Do you think they carry a Jedi Lock Pager that they just point at the lock and it opens? They carry most of the same stuff that you can buy on any website right now. Of course, this is likely to be restricted even further in the future, but for now, Locksmiths use the same tools that you can buy.
Furthermore, most Locksmiths are not interested in picking locks anymore, they are interested in making well over $50,000.00 yearly. What this means is, they would rather use a "Black & Decker Lockpick" with a drill jig than a turning tool and lockpick(s). That is the honest to God truth, take it or leave it. Most Locksmiths jealously guard the whole "Lockpicking issue," but most of them cannot pick worth a damn and don't want to spend the time to cultivate the skill. It's a waste of time to most of them now as they are not the Craftsmen they used to be. Not ALL of them, but most of them. This being seen as a waste of time in business, "Time is money."
You can choose to believe this or not, that is your choice. This is coming from someone who has been involved in several different areas of the security industry for over ten years.
The only reason I am posting this is because I have an interest in the subject(s) as well. It's interesting and entertaining and I used to do it as a child. Abandoned buildings, homes and storm drains were the favorite of many of my friends. We loved to do it.
I find your hobby to be harmful only to yourself if you do it right. That is your business if you get yourself hurt. I'm not a "Crusader" who feels the need to defend people from their own stupidity or negligence, as far as I'm concerned, it's Natural Selection.
If I were working in an area and found you, I would probably turn you loose. If I found you there again, that would be a different story altogether.
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MacGyver
location:
St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 49 on 10/27/2003 4:21 PM >
| | | | Mr. Hobbs. Much of what you say is true. Lockpicking isn't that hard if you take the time to learn it and have the right tools. Being caught with picks vs. without anything is a major difference however. At least where I'm from. I agree with your "chuck it" mentality. 
What you seemed to miss however is the sheer number of 14 year olds finding their way here and thinking they are invincible or something. I intentionally distort the facts a little in hopes of discouraging these annoying pests.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
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Mister Hobbs
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<Reply # 50 on 10/27/2003 4:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
Mr. Hobbs. Much of what you say is true. |
It's all true or I would not have said it. Where is a pesky smiley emoticon now?
| ...Lockpicking isn't that hard if you take the time to learn it and have the right tools. |
It takes some time, I have been doing it for years so I am going to get better results than some people do. But as far as "right tools?" There are just tools. Some better than others, unless you are working for the government and tasked with slipping into embassies, etc., most of them will work. It is you that has to know what to do with them. You can do a lot with rather dismal improvised tools in a pinch.
| Being caught with picks vs. without anything is a major difference however. At least where I'm from. I agree with your "chuck it" mentality. |
I never said what you are referring to. It was not "picks vs. without anything," it was "picks vs. other hand tools." And I am telling you straight up, you can get arrested if you are trespassing with a screwdriver in your pocket. Chuck the thing if you have to.
What you seemed to miss however is the sheer number of 14 year olds finding their way here and thinking they are invincible or something. I intentionally distort the facts a little in hopes of discouraging these annoying pests.
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I'm not naive at all. I used to be one of them. I'll give you a short story about another forum online. It's a lockpicking forum and it is infested with liars and adolescent morons who suck up to them. It's disgusting and I cannot stand them.
But if you are going to have a "I have to distort the facts policy to protect the ignorant, stupid and insane from themselves," why have a forum at all?
Of course most of them are profoundly retarded, some will grow out of it, others won't.
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MacGyver
location:
St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 51 on 10/27/2003 5:08 PM >
| | | | Would you mind filling us in on your background and authority?
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Mister Hobbs
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<Reply # 52 on 10/27/2003 5:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
Would you mind filling us in on your background and authority?
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Well, to a point, of course I would mind. I'm not stupid or crazy. I have a security background, you can read that as not being a "Security Guard" although I have done that as well for part-time work or when times were lean, etc. But it is far beyond that.
I think it would be safe to say this, as I stated above in one of the posts, I have been involved in the security industry for well over ten years. I won't post about what I have no knowledge of or can do with my own hands, or have seen others do with their own hands, etc.
I think if you read what I am writing, that would be the finest resume that I could post. You can judge for yourself if I know what I am talking about and that I am writing it naturally or resorting to the despicable habit of plagiarizing material. I assure you that the latter won't happen.
As for being an "authority," if I were investigating an area or contractually obligated to protect a certain area, then I would be an "authority." If by "authority" you mean a "Subject Matter Expert," you could refer to me as being that.
I won't pretend to be things I am not, which is why the whole adolescent issues various bulletin boards have make me rather ill.
Perhaps you are thinking, "Well, if he knows so much, why is he posting about it here?"
The answer is simple, I'm an interested Observer of various subjects, privately and professionally. Besides that, the Genie is out of the bottle when it comes to Lockpicking and various "taboo" topics like that. All that matters now is skill, the old Guilds of Locksmiths is basically a dream held by The Associated Locksmiths of America and others like them.
I can write all day and tell people how to bypass something, that does not mean they are going to be able to do it, etc. Therefore, I don't see the discussion as much of a threat to property or anyone else at all.
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