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Lofts?
< on 3/27/2004 5:17 AM >
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i'm pretty sure that everyone here hate lofts as much as I do.

They are demolishing every single abandoned place to make those
but the question is...
Would you buy one? (if they were not that expensive)
would you like to live in one or you just hate the fact that they took a place you were going before for urban explorations?




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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 1 on 3/27/2004 5:30 AM >
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Given the right locale, I think a loft would be a very cool place to live. If they have to build something there, you might as well move in

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 2 on 3/27/2004 4:54 PM >
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Lofts cant be all that bad. I think its better to renovate an old building and turn it into loft apartments rather then to tear the building down and build something new.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 3 on 3/28/2004 12:30 AM >
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I don't hate lofts, I think it is a great use for some of these structures. My GF and I have looked at several and plan on buying one in a few years. I like the concept of them, they preserve the aspects we like about these places, for example here is a pic of my friends loft.

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That to me is fucking sweet! Very nice roomy area with large windows, but the place has character and each is unique, unlike crack stack apartments. Just jump on Rent.com and look around the lofts we have here in the twin cities, many have virtual tours you can take. Excellent reuse in my opinion.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 4 on 3/28/2004 2:53 AM >
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I would definately live in a loft... in fact, considering how shittily new homes are constructed, I would prefer to live in a renovated building. Plus, a lot of loft apartments do have beautiful interior architecture and, like Joel Barish said, do a good job of preserving the best features of a site.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 5 on 3/28/2004 3:05 AM >
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(if they were not that expensive)


See that's the thing! Lofts were origionally inteded for poor artsy chumps who need lots of room to do their shits for cheep.. Now it's just a way for rich chumps to be hip.. because apparently living in a crappy, run down, old factory building in a sleazy neighborhood is "hip" so now it costs a fortune because all the chumps with tuns of $$ moved in and ruined it for us chumps who just want to live in an old power plant because there's a possibility of putting a spinny slide inside a smokestack!

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 6 on 3/28/2004 3:07 AM >
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hahaha! Well put, Santa.

I would love to live in the top floor of the Gold Medal Flour Mill in Minneapolis. The view of the milling district is phenomenal.
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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 7 on 3/28/2004 7:30 AM >
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I would like to note that my friend is one of those artsy chums and his building as do many others, must provide a few income based dwellings according to the city's reuse plan for historical buildings. They never advertise these rates so check around, we have found several that are competively priced. Remember that you are paying for location, so ones that are in prime areas are going to be priced accordingly. We have decided we can't afford it while I am in school, but plan on renting one when our current lease is up and I am out of school. Ultimately we would like to purchase a loft instead of a house, then when/if we decide to move out of there, the property values will have only increased. Real Estate in a city is an awesome investment, as no matter how bad the economy gets, people will always need a place to live or develop.

Hope that clears up the misconception that only yuppies can afford them.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 8 on 3/28/2004 6:39 PM >
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I live in new york.. so there's no such thing as a historical reuse plan, We hate our past. So I hope this clears up the misconception that people other than yuppies can afford them in NYC.

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<Reply # 9 on 3/28/2004 8:48 PM >
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I would love to have a loft. Huge open space, massive windows, all brick, concrete, and steel. Nothing delicate or dainty that I have to worry about chipping or marring. Very bare-bones. All utilities exposed for easy repair/renovation. You could do anyting in it/to it and it would keep asking for more. My dream home is actually a loft built into a hill-side out in the New Mexico desert.

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...Now it's just a way for rich chumps to be hip....

Yuppies seem to do that to a lot of things. I seem to remember a time when pick-up trucks weren't luxury vehicles....

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 10 on 3/28/2004 11:55 PM >
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It's not just the yuppies doing, I'm sure a lot of Rea Estate developers deciced they could get more money from the yuppies than from broke artist. Same with Ford and the pick-up trucks.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 11 on 4/1/2004 11:38 PM >
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There use to be an abandon place called the bird cage in denver. As soon as coors field was built they started renovating it and it turned into a bunch of nice lofts. That part of town use to be full of bums and such but now it is really cleaned up.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 12 on 4/2/2004 1:54 AM >
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What are you talkin about!? Bums are AWSOME! Clenlieness is for Chumps! and Dorks!

another point [ compleatly personal ] is that I go to industrial neighborhoods with big ol' abandoned buildings and such because I like them and there I don't have to deal with people.. I don't mind it if a person buys out part of the industrial building to live in because they liked it, but when they compleatly renovate a building SOLLY with the intention of creating lofts, it's like putting awful resedential in a place it's not supposed to be. Pre-manufactured lofts seem to me; for people who want to be in the grit and grime, but don't want to get dirty.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 13 on 4/2/2004 7:44 AM >
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I would love to live in a loft. They just seem to have so much....flavor.

The lofts down by what's called the "3rd Ward" of downtown Milwaukee actually used to be dirt cheap. Then a bunch of real estate people decided the 3rd Ward wasn't a run down shipping area. It was a goldmine! It now seems like every drop of charater is being sucked out of the neighborhood and being replaced with over-priced lofts, cute little coffe shops, and "fashion boutiques". Plus whatever else their focus groups say would bring in more money.

About ten years ago you could get a decent sized loft there for about $500/mo. Now you can expect to pay upwards of $1500.

They've also torn down or renovated nearly every abandoned warehouse and office building that I honed my UE skills in as a kid.

Bastards.

Does it piss anyone else off when they see little niche things like "extreme" sports, coffee shops, lofts, SUV's etc. become boxed, sterilized, trademarked and sold off to people who are willing to spend any amount of money to be "hip"?

I'm going to stop now before I end up typing a 5000 word rant...
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<Reply # 14 on 4/2/2004 2:01 PM >
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I would love to live in a loft. They just seem to have so much....flavor.

The lofts down by what's called the "3rd Ward" of downtown Milwaukee actually used to be dirt cheap. Then a bunch of real estate people decided the 3rd Ward wasn't a run down shipping area. It was a goldmine! It now seems like every drop of charater is being sucked out of the neighborhood and being replaced with over-priced lofts, cute little coffe shops, and "fashion boutiques". Plus whatever else their focus groups say would bring in more money.


What bothers me most about Milwaukee's urban renewal is that the architects who renovate don't seem to care about the original architecture of the building much. My mom was looking to buy a loft in the 3rd ward a few years ago, when it had just started to be "trendy", but nowhere near the insanity it's at now, and a good half of the lofts we toured had as much "flavor" inside as a prefab suburban house. Not to mention the exteriors, every time I go past that one building by I-43 east, where they removed the cream-brick facade, added cheap-looking modern windows and balconies, and painted it yellowish... it makes me shudder inside. They took something with character, and made it absolutely uninteresting. Yeah, it used to be ugly, but it had character. Now it's still ugly, but the character and dignity of the building is diminished.



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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 15 on 4/6/2004 12:46 AM >
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When I moved into the loft I live in now I was so psyched to have space. In my old appt. I could touch both walls at the same time. To have total creative control over my own space? The opportunity to build walls and quirky living space? Now We've all lost some of our favorite places to redevelopment but to take it out on loftspaces? Wierd, I thought it was the greedy landlords and shiesty government officials who were the problem. I guess "artsy hipsters" need a place to live too... I would rather die than live in a condo, or a townhouse, or in some crappy apartment building... I've lived in all of the above and I'm done with it. So hell yea for lofts. Its the landlords I got beef with.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 16 on 4/6/2004 1:18 AM >
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Hey, I'm gonna be a starving artist!! This isn't fair!! Damn you rich snobs!! STOP TAKING MY ARTISTIC RIGHTS FROM ME!!!!

Yeah, I dont mind,Lofts retain some sense of dignity of the old building...

Its like with vandals, real estate, natural disaster... Just as the activity that once filled with activity that has come to pass, likewise is our activity to explore them... They are not ours to own, ours to keep, merely ours to explore and learn about... It says something of the impermanence of all of life.

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Re: Lofts?
<Reply # 17 on 4/8/2004 2:22 AM >
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I like lofts, have since the movie "Big." I like the idea of living close to the center of town, as most loftspaces are. To those of you who are pissed because it's "trendy" and all the rich snobs are taking over the shit ass parts of town and making them nice and livable; I say get over it. People have to live somewhere. It's alot more environmentally and (long term)economically practical to renovate these buildings versus bulldozing virgin land 30 miles out of town for some lifeless suburb neighborhood. As for the price being high, yes; this may be true, but consider this: If you lived out in the 'burbs and commuted to work downtown (or nearabouts) then moved into a loftspace downtown and still held said job, you could get rid of your car and its insurance and gas bills. All the sudden you have more money and time to spend. Makes plenty of sense to me.

Oh yeah. I've learned to not get too attached to buildings I explore. I highly recommend it.

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<Reply # 18 on 4/11/2004 2:47 AM >
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SCREW YOUR HIPPY AMAZON!

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<Reply # 19 on 4/11/2004 3:48 AM >
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Posted by Noah Vale
It's alot more environmentally and (long term)economically practical to renovate these buildings versus bulldozing virgin land 30 miles out of town for some lifeless suburb neighborhood.

That quote reminded me of something I read a while back: An ancient lightbulb manufactory was purchased, and, not surprisingly, the large industrial space was converted into lofts for the upper-middle-class.

Shortly after moving in the tenants began experiencing a variety of health problems, but no once was really certain of a cause. One morning a tenant came down to discover beads of mercury sitting on his counters. Long story short, the tenants were evacuated and the building was gutted. It was then that they found literal pools of mercury sitting on the sub-flooring. I'm guessing the factory produced mercury vapor lamps or some sort of arc lamps, and they were apparently extrordinarily lax with their cleanup and disposal.

I'm relatively certain that after the site was permanently evacuated, the level of contamination was found to be so extensive that the property was designed a Super Fund site.

You gotta wonder what kind of industry existed there before they decided to let people live out their lives in these loft spaces....

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