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rascal
  
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Sydney
Gender: Female
Miss Fatal Risk
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<Reply # 20 on 11/4/2009 11:53 AM >
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Well damn no wonder - even a small building on top of your hands is going to hurt! Did you help him/her out?
Chris...
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Sadly, it wasn't the portable doll house I'd hoped for..
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PhotoSeeker
   
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Sudbury
Gender: Male
MikeOnline
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<Reply # 21 on 11/4/2009 12:04 PM >
| | | | Sometimes permission is good.
Sometimes, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
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shadowbot
location:
Massachusetts
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 12/6/2009 11:25 PM >
| | | | "Sometimes, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission."
This is very true, however there's no reason you can't do both. You can always ask for permission, then if denied go anyway and then ask for forgiveness. Just because you're asking permission doesn't mean they will suddenly be watching for people sneaking around if they weren't already.
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gretschdiva
location:
Johnson City, Tennessee
Gender: Female
I'm just a chick, playing a chick, disguised as another chick
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<Reply # 23 on 12/7/2009 5:20 AM >
| | | | This is a very interesting concept to me. I've just always gone into places myself without asking for permission. There is an absolutely gigantic, I mean we're talking small city-sized, chemical plant in my area that I literally drool over every time I drive by. The catch is it's 100% active, but I've always wanted to ask if it would be ok if I took photos. There's a river that runs through the middle of it as well. We've thought about riding a raft down the center of the plant in the river because they won't be able to catch us, but I'm thinking the whole asking permission thing is a better idea and a good alternative to taking the chance of melting our raft in the chemical polluted water. Your posts have given me courage to perhaps try to get permission.
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Nvr2loud
  
Man with the golden shoes
location:
Huntsville, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 12/7/2009 5:33 AM >
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The only time that I have ever asked permission was to enter what was supposedly an old insane asylum in Witchita Falls, TX. The owners were getting ready to tear it down to build some brand new McMansion or some-such...
They not only said "yes" they let us camp there overnight and said that we could take anything we wanted with us, as they were just going to doze the place, anyway. (I snagged some books that seem to have been lost in one of our many Army-induced moves.) The owners even informed us that it was NEVER an insane asylum, but rather a TB hospital...
In that particular case, I am beyond glad that I asked... But, IMO, it is better to apologize later than ask permission and be told "NO!"
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Very similar situation, we were driving past an old TB Hospital for Criminals only. New owners were outside, we approached them and they were happy to let us explore. They followed us around and answered any questions we had. They were also planning a complete tear down to build a house on the property. They were anxious to keep people from breaking in since they were liable for anyone hurt on the property, but they were happy to show us around.
You can't be lost if you don't care where you are!
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marektel
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 1/21/2010 5:00 AM >
| | | | I like to photo industrial sites. No one has ever said yes. Not over the phone, not at the gate, not in the little manager hut near the gate. Emails are a black hole too.
At some point I just stopped asking. For industrial, it's a waste of time, IMO.
Might work on hotels, hospitals and other uninteresting places.
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leatherman
location:
Texas
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 1/21/2010 9:46 PM >
| | | | I guess once you get told no -wait a few days and go anyway?
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marektel
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 1/21/2010 9:55 PM >
| | | | leatherman: yes.
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yokes
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
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<Reply # 28 on 1/21/2010 9:58 PM >
| | | | I'm currently working on a photography project with some other photographers for a local Heritage organization. The project has gotten us into a number of places that were previously visited without permission (and a few nice spots that wouldn't be possible otherwise). 
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a628
location:
Raleigh/Charlotte NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 1/21/2010 11:29 PM >
| | | | I feel like if they don't give you permission, they might be more likely to keep an eye out incase you didn't listen. And also, I feel like they'd be more likely to press charges if you got caught.
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bfinan0
location:
Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 1/21/2010 11:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by a628
And also, I feel like they'd be more likely to press charges if you got caught.
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That's easy to avoid: don't tell them who you are until they say yes. If they ask your name, pretend you didn't hear, and go on with whatever you were saying before. Then, if you go back and are caught, they won't know you were the one who asked to get in.
(Or just do as I do now and only go into places you're not prohibited to be}
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a628
location:
Raleigh/Charlotte NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 31 on 1/25/2010 8:45 PM >
| | | | I don't know if I would trust someone who wouldn't even give me their name. But I guess there's nothing to stop you from giving them a fake one.
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Intrinsic
location:
Collingwood
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 1/25/2010 8:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by bfinan0
That's easy to avoid: don't tell them who you are until they say yes. If they ask your name, pretend you didn't hear, and go on with whatever you were saying before. Then, if you go back and are caught, they won't know you were the one who asked to get in.
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I think what he meant was if you ask permission and are told "no", but insist on trespassing afterwards, you stand a higher chance of being charged.
You can give "Elmer Fudd" for a name before you ask or afterwards, it doesn't matter because the police will ask you for your identification when the owner intervenes. I think most people will remember you as "that dude showing up with a camera in hand" who was refused permission and then came back again.
But again, I only "think" that's what he meant.
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bfinan0
location:
Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 33 on 1/25/2010 8:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Intrinsic
I think what he meant was if you ask permission and are told "no", but insist on trespassing afterwards, you stand a higher chance of being charged.
You can give "Elmer Fudd" for a name before you ask or afterwards, it doesn't matter because the police will ask you for your identification when the owner intervenes.
But again, I only "think" that's what he meant.
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But the owner won't know that you were the one who called. A trespass is a trespass, but the owners will be more likely to press charges if they knew they already denied you permission to enter. (Of course, this only works when you don't meet the owner in person)
Also adding to this, the larger group you have, the more likely you are to get permission, from my experience so far. If you have 20+ (even as many as 70) people, the owners might think it's more worth their while to show you around the building.
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Intrinsic
location:
Collingwood
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 1/25/2010 8:59 PM >
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But the owner won't know that you were the one who called. |
Yeah okay, I agree with you there. I was speaking about going in person.
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FerretMouse
location:
Clarksburg, West Virginia
Gender: Male
Me! Haha.
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<Reply # 35 on 1/25/2010 9:14 PM >
| | | | Yeah. There is an old hotel in my area that I've been wanting to go into ever since I was a kid. There are in progress of deciding whether to keep it or tear it down. There were some construction workers taking out old piping and water heaters. I drove by and asked them what the plans for the building were, and he told me that they were deciding whether to keep it, or knock it down. I said I had always wanted to go in, but never got the chance to. One of the guys told me to park my car and come on in and the other on told me I wasn't allowed. So I didn't get to go in  Although, I'm going to keep trying...hopefully they will just break down haha.
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ViolatorOfTheLaw
location:
Appleton, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 7/29/2010 2:45 AM >
| | | | I have mixed luck with asking permission. I got turned down twice, but recently I contacted an owner of a 7 story old factory on Flickr ( Yes, Flick, I know ) and he told me to add him on Facebook and he said yes and told me he likes my photography. We got into talking more and now were pretty much friends lol. next time hes in town hes giving me a full tour and stay as long as I want. But once I asked and the owner got really, really pissed. But back then I didn't know what I was doing and I was to persistent lol.
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Jerkabobber
location:
Buffalo, NY. USA
Gender: Male
Try to preserve nature where you live, not just where you visit
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<Reply # 37 on 7/29/2010 3:22 AM >
| | | | I've tried this once, but no luck. There is an OLD decayed brick building in the town I used to live in. The parks department uses it to store big plow blades. The garage door has panels missing, and some spots are wide open, but it's on a VERY busy intersection and chances of being seen entering are very high. Which also makes a night trip out of the question because there are windows all over this thing.
This may sound stupid, but I want to get permission for this place because I wont UE any places in this town because the judge in this town married my wife and I, hung out at my wedding, and I did some home improvement work on his actual house through my work, he even invited me into his kitchen for coffee at the time. He knows me... in other words, I don't wanna go before this guy with trespassing
Back to my old brick building... I went to town hall and got the owner's name and number for this location, I called twice and left 2 polite answering machine messages. You know, the "Hi, I'm a photographer interested in documenting the interior and exterior of historical local buildings, was wondering if it is ok to proceed" type of thing...
No call back. And, I wont enter with permission. Oh well.
I have actually been in there once, years ago when I was doing some repairs on a door (through my work) and this was WAY before I was into Urban Exploring and photography... now knowing what I know... I want back in there! 
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insanebuslady
location:
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Gender: Male
"You talkin' to me?"
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<Reply # 38 on 7/29/2010 7:01 AM >
| | | | Some what related:
I was exploring an old cement factory I'd been to several times before with some people who had never been and who were pretty fresh to exploring period. Anyway this is one of the few places I actually park on the property, right in-between two production halls, and up against a two story pile of cement detritus. So dead-end, only one way in and out, and right next to the active part of the cement plant
After being inside for about 5 minutes we hear heavy machinery coming towards us, and a huge front loader comes flying around the corner and starts doing work right where Rob had parked his car. Because of how the windows were placed, we had no idea what he was doing, so we decide to walk out and talk to them.
Turns out they had started to pile tons (literally) of snow around his car to block us in, and the conversation went something like this:
Me: (Yelling over the roar of the front-loader engine) HEY! Hows it going?!
Blue-Collar-Joe: What in gawds name are you kids doing here?
Me: Taking pictures of this awesome abandonment you have here. Weird hobby, I know.
Blue-Collar-Joe: Shit we thought you guys were doing teh drugs or smashing stuff inside. We were gonna bury your car to teach you a lesson
Me: Nope, not my style really. Mind if we stick around?
Blue-Collar-Joe: (Radios his supervisor) The place is yours! Just don't fall off anything and sue us! We'll unblock your buddies car now..
TL/DR
Sometimes you can ask permission even after you get caught.
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Sceptic
location:
In the Dreams of a City that Never Sleeps
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 39 on 7/29/2010 9:21 PM >
| | | | Has anyone had success in asking for permission into government owned abandonments? This i believe would be a tough one..
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