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Fingerprints
< on 3/18/2004 6:13 AM >
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ever been worried about fingerprints? I've been in situations were a partner of mine, who ha sbeen caught, chargerd and put on record for other things, caused immense amount of dammage and was worried about investigaton and what could happen. He was freaking out, veyr paranoid for the next while.
Anybody else seen anything like this? and what could you do about this deal, aside from wearing gloves?

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 1 on 3/18/2004 7:12 AM >
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Two things.

First, I think wearing gloves is a good idea in general. Protecting your skin from the untold dangers of germs, sharp edges, splinters and goo that pervades abandoned spaces is a generally good thing. I believe that you are in more danger of hurting your hands than being fingerprinted, but if you are paranoid, a nice pair of gloves will do the trick.

The second thing is, if I read your post right, that you friend has been in trouble with the law before and has therefore been fingerprinted. He then caused some wanton destruction (at an abandoned site?) and was very worried about the cops finding out it was him. Is that correct?

To that I can only say GOOD! It serves him right, and he should count himself lucky that the cops did not catch him, nor that anyone else did for that matter. I hope you talked to him about how asinine it is to do things like that. People going into abandoned buildings and causing harm are a large part of the reason that UE'rs get a bad name. Wanton destruction is wrong, stupid and senseless. I'll get off my soapbox now, but if he gets his kicks from behaving like a child, then I would leave him home the next time.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 2 on 3/18/2004 7:12 AM >
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Well, for starters, you could not do anything that makes it worth their while to dust for prints.

But practically speaking, you could probably burn your fingerprints off with something really hot, hopefully they'd just be scar tissue then. Course... if they ever did find you, it'd be easy to guess it was you. So wear gloves or don't touch Anything. Yeah, the latter's kinda unlikely...

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 3 on 3/18/2004 7:18 AM >
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Not really sure what you mean. But if your friend was causing damage somewhere, he should be worried about an investigation. Depending on the circumstances the police could have dusted for prints, but most true UE'ers wouldn't do anything in a location that would neccessitate the police looking for fingerprints. When we leave a place, we leave no indications we were ever there. To qoute our mission statement for the ump-teenth time, "take only pictures, leave only footprints." I personally wear gloves sometimes to protect my hands, but not for worrying about leaving finger prints.
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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 4 on 3/18/2004 7:45 AM >
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Cutting off your fingerprints isn't as simple as burning it, you have to cut from the center to the tip with a sharp razor blade then dounce the cut into some wierd chemical... or something. ;)

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 5 on 3/18/2004 8:33 AM >
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Posted by SnakeEyes
Cutting off your fingerprints isn't as simple as burning it, you have to cut from the center to the tip with a sharp razor blade then dounce the cut into some wierd chemical... or something. ;)


That sounds horrifyingly painful.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 6 on 3/18/2004 9:04 AM >
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Posted by SnakeEyes
Cutting off your fingerprints isn't as simple as burning it, you have to cut from the center to the tip with a sharp razor blade then dounce the cut into some wierd chemical... or something. ;)


You're talking about something that was posted in the Anarchist's Cookbook oh-so-many-years ago... It involved cutting through the epidermis into the dermis, and inserting small chips of lye (a very caustic substance primarily used for making soap) into the dermis. Of course, that article also mentions that it takes about 6 weeks to heal, and for those six weeks, don't count on using your fingertips at all.

Other urban legend I read years and years ago was that Billy the Kid dipped his fingertips in sulfuric acid in order to burn his prints off...

In any case, *I* sure don't plan on trying either of those methods out.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 7 on 3/18/2004 9:51 AM >
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I think the gloves way is best to go. If you ever need to get fingerprinted for non-police related reasons, having all your fingerprints scarred off would loook pretty suspicious.

If your just worried about fingerprints, then bring several pairs of surgical gloves with you. I say several pairs because they tend to rip easily. But gloves are mainly a good idea due to all the dirty, sharp and pointy things you come in contact with.

Also, let this be an example of why we should all be very careful about who we bring with us. Especially those who are just "tagging along" and have no real interest in UE as we do. Try and choose people you believe to be responsible enough to not act a fool. Even then, make it clear to them that you are exploring. Not looting, vandalizing, scoping out paintball arenas, looking for a place to get high, etc. Also make sure they won't come back with several people they know who might be interested in the above mentioned activities. Keeping good spots secret isn't about making sure other explorers can't get to them, it's about doing our best to make sure that good spots remain good spots.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 8 on 3/18/2004 10:25 AM >
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Latex gloves are a dead give away for B&E. If your ever stopped by a cop and you've got some on you'll get more than a casual once over.

Why you ask? Latex gloves aren't used for keeping your hands warm. So what are they good for? Thats right! Not leaving finger prints.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 9 on 3/18/2004 1:24 PM >
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I temporarily changed one of my fingerprints once, using the cigarette lighter in my car. It was terribly painful, but for a few weeks my fingerprint was a perfect spiral.

Seriously though, if you have to worry about fingerprints then you're doing something you definitely shouldn't be. This is urban exploration, not urban destroying-other-peoples-property.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 10 on 3/18/2004 2:56 PM >
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If you really want to get rid of your fingerprints, take up photography and spend lots of time in the darkroom. To speed up this process don't wear gloves or use tongs, just reach into the stop bath with your fingers.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 11 on 3/18/2004 4:42 PM >
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Holly crap.... I dont know what to say about threads that end up like this. I had a friend nearly take down a building down by leaning against a beam and bringing down the only support that was holding up one wall. It was not intentional but Im sure the cops wouldnt have cared. SO dont be snappy till you know the story. Even if he was destroying stuff it obviously sounds like the poster isn't like that just has a friend taht is. I know dont hang around friends like that but hey hes not your friend.

Next I carried Latex gloves nearly everywhere I go. Not because of fingerprint concealment but because I have a first responder card. Next on latex gloves they dont prevent leaving finger prints. thanks to forensic science your fingerprints can be picked up. Two ways actually. One is if you touch the outside of the glove it makes a perfect print of your finger on whatever your glove touches. So say your wrist touches the wall boom theres the print. You would be suprised. Also the glove is so thin that it will also leave your print because it will disturb the dust chemicals etc into the shape of your fingerprint. There are some stipulations like they need to know you used gloves. However if they dusted and cant find anything they will know.

Secondly let me just ask you how many people on this forum dont have fingerprints or have fingerprints that have been altered. I bet theres 1-2 out everyone that has ever signed on here. Now how hard is it to find the guy who leave no disernable print but still leaves finger oils.

Lastly any leather glove has its own print. Leather gloves have there own oils to keep it flexiable. Leather has its natural print thats custom to each glove and each tip. Hence if you still have the gloves or they find your hairs etc in there guess what. Your screwed. IE the saying "if the glove fits."

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 12 on 3/18/2004 5:04 PM >
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This freind of mine never purposely cause such damage, he just did on accident. But no investigation was ever gone through with, I doubt anyone even knows about it, aside from those who have been inside as we have. The damage he caused had no mark on the outside of the building so noone noticed I guess.

And yes thtas what iv ebeen thinking about if Latex still leaves prints and whatnot, you have seemed ot clear this up, thank you

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 13 on 3/18/2004 7:11 PM >
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You might want to look into fabric woven gloves or rough suade. I know its not to dangerous for most of us even if we get caught however I like to cover my tracks. If you go with leather gloves do make sure you can dispose of them incase you find a drug lab etc and dont want them tracking shit back to you.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 14 on 3/18/2004 9:55 PM >
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It is very possible to leave usable fingerprints, even when wearing latex gloves. They're permeable to skin oils, as well as water and numerous other substances.

Billy the Kid really did burn his fingerprints off with sulphuric acid. It didn't work terribly well back then, and it doesn't work terribly well today, nor does any other method of permenantly altering your fingerprints. Why? A trained fingerprint examiner will immediately spot so-called "mutilated" prints for what they are... and (in the states, and doubtless everywhere else) the NCIC "mutilated" file is much, much, much smaller than the regular print database. Even on a smaller level, the number of mutilated prints, partials, or ten-print cards on file with most states or cities is going to be trivially small. It's also quite hard to explain how you "accidentally" managed to permenantly mutilate all ten of your fingertips.

Oh, and don't forget that fingerprints aren't the only uniquely identifying skin features - palm-, wrist-, knuckle-, nose-, lip-, foot-, and ear-prints are all admissible as evidence, and you can just imagine how much fun it would be to have comparison prints made of your ear, right? "Now, hold really, really still..."





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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 15 on 3/18/2004 11:44 PM >
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Krenta please see my above post. Role eyes
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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 16 on 3/19/2004 7:19 AM >
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Joecat,

I apologize for jumping the gun about your friend...no excuse for it. I ask your forgiveness. I should have gotten all the facts, and even then its not my place to berate you about your friends.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 17 on 3/19/2004 8:00 AM >
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Latex gloves are a dead give away for B&E. If your ever stopped by a cop and you've got some on you'll get more than a casual once over.

Why you ask? Latex gloves aren't used for keeping your hands warm. So what are they good for? Thats right! Not leaving finger prints.


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Fingerprints can be taken through latex gloves. It's a major pain in the ass, and it's only about 25% successful - but it IS possible...depends on how much you're sweating. The latex they use for most latex gloves is porus for your skin's oil. (Not all latex is porus - condoms, for example, aren't).

Just wear a pair of work gloves. I wear gloves. Not for the fingerprint issue, but more for the no nails in my hand issue.

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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 18 on 3/19/2004 9:33 AM >
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I temporarily changed one of my fingerprints once, using the cigarette lighter in my car. It was terribly painful, but for a few weeks my fingerprint was a perfect spiral.


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Re: Fingerprints
<Reply # 19 on 3/22/2004 9:51 PM >
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Posted by SnakeEyes
Cutting off your fingerprints isn't as simple as burning it, you have to cut from the center to the tip with a sharp razor blade then dounce the cut into some wierd chemical... or something. ;)


Simple, just work with concrete for about 6 months and you'll have little to no finger prints left.



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