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< on 12/17/2008 11:06 PM >
|  | | | I have been reading a lot about people using respirators in asbestos filled structures. I have an old M17 Gas Mask (below) it is made to filter bio/chem/rad hazards, so I'd assume asbestos would be covered. But I wanted some outside opinions.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 1 on 12/17/2008 11:21 PM >
| | | | its a question of cartridges. you can have the mask, but the cartridges are only good for a certain period of time after they're opened.
also, what kind of cartridges? what are they rated to?
masks of that age are not known for maintaining a good seal, take that into consideration.
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<Reply # 2 on 12/17/2008 11:27 PM >
| | | | the cartridges for fumes and such wear out, the active charcoal, which if I am not mistaken isn't needed in the slightest for a particle filter, if it's a P100 particle filter stacked with a bunch of reactive crap it'll still protect against particles long past when the reactive material is dead.. Granted it won't help you with gasses and such..
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<Reply # 3 on 12/17/2008 11:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
if it's a P100 particle filter stacked with a bunch of reactive crap it'll still protect against particles long past when the reactive material is dead.. |
you know, thats raises a good question im going to have to look into it. i thought gaps formed in the particle filters after they're opened a certain period of time, but am not 100% on that.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 4 on 12/17/2008 11:50 PM >
| | | | If you are somewhere that needs a respirator, I would not trust it.
I got my half-face respirator with dual cartridges for about $40 at the Home Depot
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<Reply # 5 on 12/17/2008 11:56 PM >
| | | | Don't forget that as well as a respirator, protective clothing should also be worn. Asbestos can linger on your clothes/shoes, and because of this you are still at risk of breathing it in and exposing others to it once you have left the site.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 6 on 12/18/2008 12:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by Shutchatrap
I have been reading a lot about people using respirators in asbestos filled structures. I have an old M17 Gas Mask (below) it is made to filter bio/chem/rad hazards, so I'd assume asbestos would be covered. But I wanted some outside opinions.
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Gas masks have a shelf life of about 20 years, cartridges about 3-5 years. How old is this thing? If you got it from a surplus-type place, I wouldn't trust it.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 7 on 12/18/2008 2:09 AM >
| | | | Meh, it's just something I'd picked up for a Halloween costume, and figured it might have some extra use, if not, oh well... this one was last tested sometime in the late 80's (I'll re-check the paperwork) and I have some unopened cartrages but the mask isn't on me at the moment, it's in my dorm and I'm home for Christmas so I'll check after the first of the year and report back... or not, depending on how quickly this thread dies.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 8 on 12/18/2008 11:57 AM >
| | | | It's still advisable to take some money out of your next paycheck and get a new mask; better safe than sorry you know?
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<Reply # 9 on 12/18/2008 12:37 PM >
| | | | best get a aosafety P100...
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 10 on 12/18/2008 12:39 PM >
| | | | as long as the mask forms a seal and isn't starting to dry out your fine. just get a new filter. remember to clean it with warm soapy water.and if the filter get any water on it that it is ruined.good luck with it
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| | | | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 11 on 12/20/2008 1:01 AM >
| | | | I'll second checking it over good for rotting in the rubber, and I have no idea if a particle filter has a lifespan if anyone knows about that please speak up.. I just always figured a particle filter is done when it gets all full of crap and gunked up it would be hard to breath through.. as for other masks the one that Sirber posted is the one I have, it works damn well for what I need it for.. Another fun question, are most NBC filters rated for asbestos, or is that a hit or miss deal?
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<Reply # 12 on 12/20/2008 1:21 AM >
| | | | Do you really want to carry that big ass mask around? Sure you'll look really cool in your self portraits. But, if your really worried, buy a real mask.
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<Reply # 13 on 12/20/2008 2:01 AM >
| | | | The M-17 was a standard US military-issue gas mask starting around the early 1980s for the chemical, biological or radiological warfare threat, but it was part of the personnel protective equipment system & designed to be used in concert with other PPE ensemble pieces. I think it was the M-17A! revision, which I still have somewhere, that had the addition of a valve for drinking from a GI canteen.
Also, the gas mask utilized different filters, depending on the threat. It was designed for military applications including CS/CN powders but not things like asbestos.
The US DOD phased out the M-17 family years ago.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 14 on 12/20/2008 2:22 AM >
| | | | Yes the M17 is OK for air particle filtration, as long as the fit is air tight. Asbestos is a particle that is filtered by media that can trap the fibers. The cartridge in the M17 is best for vapors, that a carbon filter can trap. The prefilter will catch most particles. Better yet get a p100 and some decent goggles. Besides if you need a respirator for asbestos, you need a suit to cover your body.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 15 on 12/20/2008 5:23 AM >
| | | | Well, it's not like I got this for that use, I just had it laying around and wondered if it would work... How small are asbestos fibers? I'd speculate that if it can filter powders then it would filter asbestos... I don't know though.
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 16 on 12/20/2008 9:37 AM >
| | | | i have an extensive collection of gas masks all the way to the ones I have to wear for work to protect against ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide) and H2S (hydrogen sulfide) gas.
 
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| | | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 17 on 12/23/2008 8:46 PM >
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yeah i have this one, it works quite well from what i've heard
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 18 on 4/4/2009 3:51 PM >
| | | | Not to dredge up an old thread buuuuttt... I'm going to. (It's mine anyways!)
The M17's M13-A2 filters will filter out anything larger than 0.3 microns. This is the same rating as an N100 respirator. The m17 is old enough that even new filter elements are probably all dead by now. However the activated charcoal and salts in the filters are not what will filter out the asbestos (or mold spores). What dose this is the paper part of the filter. So long as the filters do not get wet or crushed or cut they will work as well as a standard respirator for asbestos.
If you wear a military gas mask you will undoubtedly look cool for all those photos of yourself which you will be posting here, but you'll also look more suspicious so don't get caught!
This is all just FYI and the only reason I'm bringing it back up is because I had to look it up because I plan on using my M17 to get past some scary mold, and since I found the answer I figured I'd share. I'd have bought an actual respirator, but I spent my UE money on waders lol
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| | Re: Can an M17 protect against asbestos?
<Reply # 19 on 4/5/2009 4:27 AM >
| | | | Yay for forum breaking pictures! >.<
I'm watching this thread with interest. I have a MCU2/P mask I'm using as stand-by to get past the nasty mold Shutchatrap is talking about, asuming I can't find a cheap P100 locally. I know my mask fits me perfectly and forms a good seal, been fit tested to my face! The cartridge is about 4 years old, so while it may not protect me against a chemical attack, I think it'll work fine for a bit of mold.
Wearing a P100 mask might look a bit suspicious, but wearing a military issued gas mask will look super suspicious.
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