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DJMcBastard Gender: Male \| \|	"Urban" Urban Exploitation. < on 7/19/2008 1:26 PM >

	Howdy..... So I've def. been itching to go on my first outing to explore...and I have read through a few of the rookie threads. Thanks to watching Session 9 for the 11th or so time, I really feel ready to go. People recommend picking a location near you for your first expedition....which is certainly logical. I live in Washington D.C. and there is one site that instantly pops into mind. It is an abandoned factory in one of the more recently gentrified neighborhoods. From a planning perspective it makes sense as I know the neighborhood, I know the area well so I can plan several entry/exit routes with ease in case the ~~fascists in blue~~ police show up. However, my biggest concern is that it is in one of the new trendy/fucking insanely priced condo areas, Honestly, I can't believe they haven't converted it to lofts....yet....but give it time. Ok so back to my point. I have all the advantages of knowing the area and being close to home base, but the amount of foot traffic on the sidewalk in clear view of the location is definitely on the high side. As more experienced UE, do you think the fact I know the locale well will outweigh the natural risks of an ebb and flow of nearby foot traffic? Just to further clarify, the structure is maybe 75 feet from the sidewalk on a corner lot. 2 sides face a sidewalk, one side faces an alley, and the last edge faces a large open lot (but not a lot of coverage as far as plants/trees.) However, most of the glass windows are intact and heavily frosted. If you recommend trying a different place...what is the best way to learn to find spots that aren't in your immediate neighborhoods? (Am I being a dumb n00b or is there not a search function on this mb?) Finally, I found the book by ninjalicious on UE but it estimated like 10 weeks for delivery. Any other particularly good books for novices? I apologize for the walls of text here...but I feel the need to be overly prepared. My "real" job besides spinning here and there is teaching children with Autism. If I get arrested for trespassing, it's a good 90% chance I will lose my job as my contract requires me to notify my principal of any time in jail---including the local po-dunk holding tank for 2 hours. So I need to err on the side of overly cautious. Thanks to the mod squad for donating your expertise as well as anyone else who helps out. [last edit 7/19/2008 1:52 PM by DJMcBastard - edited 1 times] "The first thing you lose on a diet is brain mass."--Margret Cho

MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal. \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 1 on 7/19/2008 1:49 PM >

	One basic rule is that if you can walk up to something looking like you belong there, then everyone will just believe that you belong there. You didn't mention any apparent barriers to entry, but I imagine that it is secured in some ways, like with a fence and sealed doors and windows. Those things make it very difficult to look like you belong, since you would presumably have a key. I have actually used a screwdriver in public to remove plywood over windows, because who the fuck would do that in public except someone who is supposed to be doing it, but that is usually not a terribly wise idea. And finally, if you are that certain that you will get arrested and lose your job, then I think you shouldn't be doing something where you are having trouble interpreting the risks. Try going into places where you feel there is no risk first. It might take a little longer to find some things that are interesting and low-to-no-risk, but that is the best way to learn how to have a feel for who is watching, what can be seen, how to move nonchalantly and with purpose. mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being

DJMcBastard Gender: Male \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 2 on 7/19/2008 2:04 PM >

	Thanks for the advice. I think you made me realize my gut says it isn't the best idea for a first location. However, I am currently applying for other jobs, but that being said, I'd really prefer NOT to have get terminated. Well one thing I haven't seen much on here is......if you're heading to a site maybe 2 hours from your home....how do you manage to find the exact location (you cannot get map quest directions if you cannot find the address....so I quickly realized. And you don't know if they have security...and if so, how skilled/active they are, etc. etc. I would hate to waste that gas money and add unnecessary pollution to get to a gorgeous asylum just to find it surprisingly secure. Also thanks for the screwdriver point. You're so right on that one. I've been in the electronica/rave/break dancing/whatever scene for a decade now. People selling/buying drugs get busted because n00bs try to find a dark corner, they look around, then make the swap. The smarter kids that party/old heads know you give the person a quick hug, pat on the back, middle of the dance floor and no one will ever raise an eyebrow. People jump to many, many conclusions based on your own posture/manner. I will also plan to put on a thrift store polo shirt. All my ink is covered by long pants and short sleeves...and I removed all my piercings when I took my current job...so I surprisingly pass as a respectable adult quite easily. [last edit 7/19/2008 2:09 PM by DJMcBastard - edited 3 times] "The first thing you lose on a diet is brain mass."--Margret Cho

Sneakysquee location: Wayne, WV Gender: Female \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 3 on 7/19/2008 2:39 PM >

	Did you check the UE DB yet? There are two locations listed for D.C., and that second one looks pretty cool and doesn't have any security measures listed. As far as getting addresses, try doing a search with the name of the place. A lot of times there will be old news articles and things that pop up where they talk about how the site is up for auction, is slated for demolition, etc. Often they include the address or at least what street or road it's on, making your Google Maps search much easier. I'm pretty new myself, but I found a couple of places in Cinti this way. In the case of the Surf Cincinnati waterpark, once I had the name of the road it was on it was clearly (and creepily) visible in the aerial ahots from Google Maps. Hope this helps!

systemx29 This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: Long Island/Buffalo Gender: Male If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 4 on 7/19/2008 4:10 PM >

	"~~the fascists~~ in blue police" Just so you know, respect the police, they will respect you(sometimes?). That mindset is a recipe for disaster. They are doing a job, and most of the time a legitimate one at that. Just wait for your moment and go. Don't look sketchy, don't wear all back. Dress as you normally would(if if you don't dress normally, dress like a normal person) and just wait for the perfect moment and go. Sometimes the cellphone method works well also. Just get on your phone and start talking/arguing with yourself. Cellphones are such commonplace now that when a person is on a phone, their other actions go unnoticed because people are trying to hard to listen in, especially if it seems like your fighting. "Patient delusional-Is inventing space ships for a scientist."

blitz

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Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation.
<Reply # 5 on 7/19/2008 5:06 PM >

Posted by systemx29
Just wait for your moment and go. Don't look sketchy, don't wear all back. Dress as you normally would(if if you don't dress normally, dress like a normal person) and just wait for the perfect moment and go.

The construction worker outfit works pretty well too.

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trent I'm Trent! Get Bent! location: Drainwhale hunting Gender: Male Not on UER anymore. \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 6 on 7/19/2008 5:46 PM >

	Mutant has some good ideas and were some of the same ones I was going to offer. The biggest is, like he said, acting like you belong there. For example one of my latest UE's was a building in an active cemetery in broad daylight during rush hour. Instead of wearing my typical backpack and maybe another thing of gear like a tripod, I really stripped down to the bare essentials this time since I was in public view. I put all my gear in an over the shoulder bag so I looked like a student (there is a university next to the cemetery). So now I'm just a student cutting through the cemetery. I like your planning. You sound a lot like me always trying to plan for any situation that could possibly arise. One think I always try to keep in mind is the time. Weekday/Weekend/Holiday or morning/afternoon/evening/overnight. Of those I like to try and find the best combination with the least people around to watch me. Another tip, if anyone tries to stop you/talk to you, be ready to try and approach them first with a big friendly 'Hello, how's it going?'. Feel out the situation and social engineer a nice believable lie, or tell the truth. You can turn an run, but then you're not getting it. You can take a shot and see if you cna convince this person that you're no harm first. Hope this helps, but it sounds like you got your shit together, so just use your head and play it cool. He who rules the underground, rules the city above.

programmer437 location: Columbia, SC; Charlotte, NC Gender: Male \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 7 on 7/19/2008 5:55 PM >

	Well, foot traffic shouldn't be a major concern. You just need to try not to stand out. Mutant had some good ideas about this. But to offer additional advice, try to go when there won't be anyone around. I know DC is a pretty busy area, but foot traffic at 5am is not the same as foot traffic at 9pm. Open yourself up to the possibility of going anytime within 24 hours, and find when there will be the least people around. Also, keep in mind that random pedestrians are not police. They generally aren't going to run up and question you. [last edit 7/19/2008 6:02 PM by programmer437 - edited 2 times] "I don't care if you're urban explorers or urban infiltrators or URBAN LEGENDS!"

DJMcBastard Gender: Male \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 8 on 7/20/2008 3:36 AM >

	Thanks, tons of good advice from everyone. I am gonna look at the DB and maybe try something a bit easier for a first go. I might make the aforementioned building after I am a bit more comfortable/experienced. "The first thing you lose on a diet is brain mass."--Margret Cho

trent

I'm Trent! Get Bent!
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Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male

Not on UER anymore.

Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation.
<Reply # 9 on 7/20/2008 4:30 AM >

Posted by DJMcBastard
Well one thing I haven't seen much on here is......if you're heading to a site maybe 2 hours from your home....how do you manage to find the exact location (you cannot get map quest directions if you cannot find the address....so I quickly realized. And you don't know if they have security...and if so, how skilled/active they are, etc. etc.

I would hate to waste that gas money and add unnecessary pollution to get to a gorgeous asylum just to find it surprisingly secure.

That all depends on how good you are at researching the site ahead of time before you go. It usually depends on motivation, obsessiveness, and what information is available to you on the internet/library/news/records office/maps/etc. Though often depending on the site a quick recon mission might be needed.

If an urban location, you might be able to do things like see security cameras, guard shacks, gates, fences, ravenous dogs with automatic rifle toting handlers, etc with online mapping services. e.g. Google streetview and maps.live.com's birdseye views. Keeping in mind those images usually 1-5 years old.

If it's urban, then usually you wouldn't look out of place at all walking through some city streets like you belong to walking through them and checking it out. If it's rural and you don't know too much about it, then try to found out how to access it via trails, forests, rivers, etc.

However, you are concerned about the distance from home and doing recon's sucks then. So yah, rock out on internet research, call historical societies, find maps, etc as best as you can ahead of time. Know as much as you can about the current state of the location, who owns it, why they own it, what would they do to secure the location if they owned it, etc.

LOL, Become one with the location. See the location, be the location. Don't force it, feel it.

But yah, if your starting out and you have something easier and close nearby, check it out quick.

He who rules the underground, rules the city above.

MindHacker location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder. \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 10 on 7/21/2008 5:28 PM >

	You'll also learn, as time goes by, that people don't notice squat. Especially if you get off of groundlevel. If you blend in to the crowd and don't look furtive (yes, you will want to check for people watching, but don't) most people will ignore/disregard you. Even more so if you don't look like a ninja / dealer. I've strolled straight past a janitor in a building at 3am. By the time it clicked with him I shouldn't be there I was casually around the corner and then sprinting off in the other direction. Street clothes also offer you the chance to make it look like it wasn't premeditated, which makes cops more friendly towards someone "just seeing what the building is like before they turn it into condos" or whatever. G'luck, and you 99% won't get jailtime, even if caught - so long as you are polite. "That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire

KublaKhan

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Edinburgh, Scotland

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Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation.
<Reply # 11 on 7/22/2008 12:29 AM >

Posted by blitz

The construction worker outfit works pretty well too.

Here's how we do it.

Except instead of the army dude, I dress as a bumble bee.

No one suspects a thing.

But seriously...as soon as you hesitate and start looking around like you're lost or that maybe you're standing there for the very first time, you're going to find it a bit tricky.

Try the door/window/whatever, and if it opens, walk right in as though you expected the door/window/whatever to open effortlessly. If it doesn't open, shake your head, say 'Fucking Hell,' and then look at your watch and maybe make a call on your cell.

The idea is to do exactly what you do when you walk through your own front door.

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trent I'm Trent! Get Bent! location: Drainwhale hunting Gender: Male Not on UER anymore. \| \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 12 on 7/22/2008 12:39 AM >

	All good points above... But LOL if you and five of your friends dressed up like the village people and were trying to open up windows and doors I don't think any witness would mind. 'anti-security by obscurity' He who rules the underground, rules the city above.

bandito location: Northern NJ Gender: Male \|	Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation. <Reply # 13 on 7/22/2008 3:12 AM >

	ditto the cellphone trick..it works. However, you can be in an area and look like you don't really belong, but I've found that people just don't care. Look like you belong and people running around worrying about paying bills and their job don't care that you're hanging around an old warehouse.

KublaKhan

location:
Edinburgh, Scotland

With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.

Re: "Urban" Urban Exploitation.
<Reply # 14 on 7/22/2008 4:14 PM >

Posted by devdog
ditto the cellphone trick..it works. However, you can be in an area and look like you don't really belong, but I've found that people just don't care. Look like you belong and people running around worrying about paying bills and their job don't care that you're hanging around an old warehouse.

Exactly. Generally, people are too busy avoiding direct sunlight, rain, snow, hail, terrorist threats to be completely interested in what you're doing.

Unless you're aiming sunlight at them, or are doing a rain dance or hurling snowballs/jet airliners at them.

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