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faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... < on 4/1/2008 11:48 AM >

	So, I had practiced in the past the art of lock-picking with a specific site in mind that utilized a mere Master-Lock/chain across the inside of a door, and my skills proved barely adequate. Now however, I am confronted with a door lock, as I have found no way into a new site without picking this lock as well. My question, or request for advice is simple: Does the average door lock work on a tumbler system as most freestanding locks do? Oh, and a note for the wary, I taught myself (badly) this using the actual locksmith tools necessary, but eventually segued into using only everyday items like paper clips and such, so no worries if caught, at least no worries about being found with such tools...ha. "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

Sailor's Heart location: San Marcos Gender: Female \| \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 1 on 4/1/2008 11:49 AM >

	The real question you want to ask is: "If caught by police, do I want a felony, or a misdemeanor?"

faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 2 on 4/1/2008 12:07 PM >

	That is true, but wouldn't it be possible to explain away a few office supplies... I have attempted other forms of access, even draining a bit...unfortunately there is no egress to be had unless I would like to pop up in an "active" basement...or so I thought...the real problem is, I have little experience draining, and so my every attempt is a shot in the dark, and seeing as there are about 7 large hotel chains in a 3-4 block radius, I am fearful of exposing myself unduly... I have gone the "Fight Club" route of using a section of thick carpeting to clamber over a chain link and razor wire fence, and since it is an old hotel I have also tried to slide open the windows...and they are all stuck fast. The roof is four stories and the style of the structure is a bit 70's...all sharp angles and oddly placed random balconies, so climbing is a bit out of the picture. The doors available to me are quite easily and secretly accessible, so if I attempt this, I have little fear of being caught. But in the end you are right, it is the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony... Oh, I have also gone into the banquet hall under the guise of renting, and wandered about a bit. The entire wing of rooms is quite securely sealed off...after some exploration it is my assumption thus far that there was a fire at some point, and the independent management either never recovered or lost interest... "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

Sailor's Heart

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San Marcos
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Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations...
<Reply # 3 on 4/1/2008 12:08 PM >

Posted by faustian pact
That is true, but wouldn't it be possible to explain away a few office supplies...

How would you explain away your access to a room that was barred by chain and lock?

Edit:

While a cop may not realize how you got into a room that was locked, or even if the room was locked, the owner of the site can be notified and they will know, and you will be caught in a lie. Don't lie to cops. Don't B&E. I don't say this for ethical reasons, I say it because I've had cops point guns at me.
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faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 4 on 4/1/2008 2:19 PM >

	Really? Wow, that is incredibly severe...and you were only exploring a location? I am sorry for your encounter... "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

TrixieSparrow location: Hamilton, ON Gender: Female I guess. \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 5 on 4/1/2008 3:14 PM >

	Employees leave doors open often. If you don't have tools on you then they will assume that is it. Also helps if you say that the lock wasn't closed and your curiosity got the best of you. lucky for you, you don't have any lockpick tools on you so you can let them search you and your bag. while you legally do not have to submit to a search right there, it's a good ass kissing move and it shows you have nothing to hide. Thats how a group of us got our trespassing tickets down to the minimum trespassing fine, rather than being arrested and taken to the station or whatever else.

faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 6 on 4/1/2008 4:11 PM >

	That is quite a good idea..a show of good faith with the police, eh? That actually would work wonderfully I think. Thanks for the tip! Though I suppose this is a good thing, I have very limited experience with the police, or rather with encountering the police...not necessarily because I am incredibly lithe, agile, and superbly sneaky, but because they are just never around... "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

YouOnlyLiveOnce location: san francisco, ca Gender: Female \| \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 7 on 4/1/2008 5:38 PM >

	i have decided against B&E on all UE because there are big differences between that and trespassing. i'd advice against picking locks. maybe it's more a voice of ethics for me, but it's also a voice of reason. you might be able to weasel your way out of trespassing, but definitely not B&E... www.amyheiden.com

faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 8 on 4/1/2008 5:48 PM >

	I have been trying to brush up on a bit of Wisconsin law concerning breaking and entering, trespass, and the various penalties for them. Throughout my searches (beginning with such illustrious and proofread sources as wikipedia...joking, just joking) I have found a distinct lack of precision amongst the legalities involved...which would allow for a bit of wiggle room I would presume... Alas, the other issue on my mind would be the basic tenet: Take only photographs, leave only footprints. I sincerely do NOT want to damage property in order to enter, but unfortunately I suffer from a lack of funds and expertise with belaying...which negates a roof approach. Perhaps in the end the best option would be a continued observance for that moment a gap presents itself to me... My constant fear is destruction of a given property of course...these things can disappear all too fast in the name of development. Speaking of which, I don't know if any of you have heard of an organization that is/was called WIBC, standing for Women's International Bowling Congress? There exists in Greendale, WI a beautiful structure which houses this organization, and they, this summer, will be relocating to Texas I believe...and seeing as the land is quite valuable, being on a street of development and across from a busy shopping mall, it will most likely be leveled. Perhaps a pre-destruction entry, even if via lock-picking or something, would be more ethically/morally/legally palatable...? "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

Viavinci Gender: Female Dammit Jim, I'm an explorer not a photographer! \| \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 9 on 4/1/2008 7:42 PM >

	If the owners went to all the trouble of locking it up well enough that B&E seems to be your only option to enter it, why not ask for permission from the owner? If all you're really interested in is some photographs why not send them an email or call them expressing your interest in photographing the building for a project/personal interest/historical preservation and offer to go with a guide if that would make them more comfortable. Sure it is not as glamorous as saying you found a super secret underground tunnel into the place that only you know of, but at least you'd get to see the building. B&E is never a good idea, plus even if you go through all that trouble to get inside how do you know there isn't an alarm in the building? Also, I dont mean to be a bitch but I dont think you're even supposed to talk about B&E on the site as stated in the Terms and Service by Av: (i) You will not post any Content which you know or should reasonable be expected to believe is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexual in nature, threatening, invasive of the privacy of others, or which otherwise violates any applicable law (save unharmful trespass). Violation of this may result in legal actions being taken against you. The reason I even bring it up is because this is the rookies section and I feel that new explorers should be aware that there is a big difference for most explorers between B&E and trespassing. Its one of the few things that separates us from the vandals/scrappers/graffiti artists that also frequent the same buildings we do. Also, again I apologize if this comes off wrong, but if you do B&E into a building and then are caught by police and if they "somehow" found out about your posts asking how to B&E you're probably going to be in a lot more trouble. I know the whole paranoia about cops/security guards on UER, but I have attended a meet where it was ruined because of public postings that the cops found out about. I hope this was helpful in some small way, but in the end you have to do whats right for you as long as you're prepared for the consequences. [last edit 4/1/2008 7:45 PM by Viavinci - edited 1 times] I'm overly dramatic online AND I only explore for validation. I'm a double threat.

TrixieSparrow location: Hamilton, ON Gender: Female I guess. \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 10 on 4/1/2008 8:20 PM >

	Lockpick away I say. Just make sure you close the lock again when you leave. Don't need vandals or junkies going in after you have left. And that way the owners will never even know you were there at all.

faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 11 on 4/1/2008 8:33 PM >

	I apologize first of all for the violation of the terms...I did peruse this upon introduction to this site, but did not analyze it closely enough it would seem. Concerning B&E and this site, I did not intend to introduce a sensitive topic, be it morally or legally sensitive. I appreciate your well-advised input on the subject, and know that this was merely the result of the thought processes of an amateur UE'er, not a hope for vandalism, or an attempt to destroy property. The only reason I have not attempted to secure a legal tour of the site is because the correct owner has not reared his/her head, even after a few phone calls to establish the history of this location. So, it is with a heavy heart that I will abandon this venture and move on...but I thank you Viavinci and others for providing a much needed learning experience... So...lock this thread? "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

TrixieSparrow location: Hamilton, ON Gender: Female I guess. \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 12 on 4/1/2008 8:35 PM >

	Just join the private lcokpicking forum

faustian pact location: Milwaukee, WI Gender: Male What time is it? \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 13 on 4/1/2008 8:41 PM >

	I was not aware there existed such a thing...I have spent much of my time either in photography, rookie, or main...but thanks! "Fight the control image. Fight the control machine" www.flickr.com/docbenway84

Pravus

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Chicago Area
Gender: Male

Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...

Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations...
<Reply # 14 on 4/1/2008 9:30 PM >

Posted by Tracy.
while you legally do not have to submit to a search right there, it's a good ass kissing move and it shows you have nothing to hide.

At least in the states I don't think a cop needs any kind of probable cause to search you, not to mention if you are in a building trespassing any cause he would need he has now.. Much like a car, I am 90% sure they don't need any kinda cause to search your car, but they need it to search the trunk.. But most cops can get that if they really want to, AKA walk up to the car and say "I smell weed" and then just search the car even though nobody in the car ever smokes pot and the car was never smoked in.. Or my personal favorite, cop finds a screw driver in the car and technically the person can be charged with burglary tools and is arrested..
At least in IL the laws are written very grey and shady so cops kinda can do whatever, and it's all based intent, which means you need to prove innocence..

Live to Serve, Serve to Live..

Orofein

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Ia
Gender: Male

We were never in this together.

Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations...
<Reply # 15 on 4/1/2008 9:51 PM >

Posted by faustian pact
I was not aware there existed such a thing...I have spent much of my time either in photography, rookie, or main...but thanks!

You've got to be a full member.

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redhawk location: Cleveland/Oxford Ohio Gender: Male \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 16 on 4/4/2008 2:48 AM >

	man, it's gonna be alarmed no doubt. Don't screw with that place, active sites are dangerous just ask around here.

musket boy

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Maui
Gender: Male

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Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations...
<Reply # 17 on 4/4/2008 2:51 AM >

Posted by Sailor's Heart

How would you explain away your access to a room that was barred by chain and lock?

Edit:

While a cop may not realize how you got into a room that was locked, or even if the room was locked, the owner of the site can be notified and they will know, and you will be caught in a lie. Don't lie to cops. Don't B&E. I don't say this for ethical reasons, I say it because I've had cops point guns at me.

just say it was unlocked when you got there

uering

Sestet location: Hyde Park, New York Gender: Female A long time ago, I saw a child playing with a tangerine, the size of a tangerine. \|	Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations... <Reply # 18 on 4/4/2008 2:59 AM >

	Keep in mind most larger places have been boarded up, and the only reason we're able to screw around inside of them is because someone came before us and broke down the boards. Doing that over and over can get expensive and annoying to replace, so usually if boards and locks are broken a few times, the owner won't bother to replace them anymore. At HRPC, for example, tons of places have obviously cut locks, broken boards, smashed windows (I do NOT advocate doing this as it destroys a part of the building), etc. Some of the locks are so old and rusted that they were probably whacked open with stones, eliminating any evidence of B&E since there's tons of innocuous rocks littering the ground. I don't officially advocate doing anything illegal, but "It was like that when I got here" is usually a more than reasonable excuse, especially for larger places, as... well, it often IS like that when ya got there. Edit: This advice really only applies to abandoned locations. It's doubly illegal to B&E anywhere, but four times as such to do it in an inhabited location, at least in New York. [last edit 4/4/2008 3:01 AM by Sestet - edited 1 times] Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese things. In jail they made us be in this dumb Kabuki play about the Forty Seven Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!

TrixieSparrow

location:
Hamilton, ON
Gender: Female

I guess.

Re: Picking locks...errr, manipulating...matter configurations...
<Reply # 19 on 4/4/2008 3:58 AM >

Posted by Sestet
Keep in mind most larger places have been boarded up, and the only reason we're able to screw around inside of them is because someone came before us and broke down the boards. Doing that over and over can get expensive and annoying to replace, so usually if boards and locks are broken a few times, the owner won't bother to replace them anymore. At HRPC, for example, tons of places have obviously cut locks, broken boards, smashed windows (I do NOT advocate doing this as it destroys a part of the building), etc. Some of the locks are so old and rusted that they were probably whacked open with stones, eliminating any evidence of B&E since there's tons of innocuous rocks littering the ground. I don't officially advocate doing anything illegal, but "It was like that when I got here" is usually a more than reasonable excuse, especially for larger places, as... well, it often IS like that when ya got there.

Edit: This advice really only applies to abandoned locations. It's doubly illegal to B&E anywhere, but four times as such to do it in an inhabited location, at least in New York.

or you can climb up to rooftops. they rarely seal them because they think people can't get up there.

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