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Ranar
 
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|  | | | I remember about half a year ago someone posted up basically a little piece of metal that firemen have so that you can open simple keyed doorknobs...does anyone know what I'm talking about...I need one now.
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rUndown
  
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<Reply # 1 on 2/26/2008 1:11 AM >
| | | | That sounds like an myth. If a Fireman needs in he uses an axe or heavier tool.
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<Reply # 2 on 2/26/2008 1:59 AM >
| | | | where I work, and at some other places I've seen, the fire department has separate locks installed that they can use and they're all keyed alike, but thats usually only at places with a high fire hazard like tank farms and chemical plants
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
  
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<Reply # 3 on 2/26/2008 2:21 AM >
| | | | Actually you might be partially right there. I know in the city I work in, any building over a certain amount of sq. feet has to have a lock box outside (embedded in the building or otherwise) with the key to the building. The boxes are all keyed for the fire department, and in case of an emergency, they can run up, get the key out and open the building without damaging/compromising security. They're inspected annually to make sure they open easily and everything.
I'm not sure how many towns or cities actually do this, but if they do good luck getting the key. If a place is closed down they might not even have to leave a key in the box anyway, due to the fact now the fire dept. can just break in, as the building is vacant and there are no security issues.
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<Reply # 4 on 2/26/2008 2:33 AM >
| | | | There has been some talk on other parts of the Forum about the Fireman's key for opening elevator doors. Often it's displayed in a box with a glass door and a sign, "In an Emergency, Use Hammer to Break Glass". There's some speculation that the keys are not unique to each building.
There's also the company that owns the trademark, "Knox Box". You pay them to supply you with a locked box to hold your door or gate key. They also supply the key to the box to the local fire company. Other boxes in town may use the same key. The key is at the end of a very large handle, so it's hard to conceal if stolen, and its absence might be noticed if missing from the fire truck. My employer bought the service, but the key we put in the box only opens something, it doesn't turn off any alarms.
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JimBoylan
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<Reply # 5 on 2/26/2008 2:41 AM >
| | | | There may be some confusion with the simple pieces of metal used to open the "privacy" locks on bathroom doors. There's just a hole or slot on the outside knob. Sometimes, your just press with something that will fit into the knob. With other locks, you must turn a correct size of screwdriver blade or fancier shape.
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Soldat
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Philadelphia, PA
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<Reply # 6 on 2/26/2008 2:55 AM >
| | | | As a volunteer firefighter the only thing close to what you are describing I can think of having used is a K-tool in that its a little piece of metal that opens up door knobs. But the way you work it is you slip it over the lock or knob then use a haligan bar to rip the lock out.
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tholcomb
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<Reply # 7 on 2/26/2008 4:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by JimBoylan
There has been some talk on other parts of the Forum about the Fireman's key for opening elevator doors. Often it's displayed in a box with a glass door and a sign, "In an Emergency, Use Hammer to Break Glass". There's some speculation that the keys are not unique to each building.
There's also the company that owns the trademark, "Knox Box". You pay them to supply you with a locked box to hold your door or gate key. They also supply the key to the box to the local fire company. Other boxes in town may use the same key. The key is at the end of a very large handle, so it's hard to conceal if stolen, and its absence might be noticed if missing from the fire truck. My employer bought the service, but the key we put in the box only opens something, it doesn't turn off any alarms.
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elevator keys.
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pirateoftheguyan
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<Reply # 8 on 2/26/2008 1:39 PM >
| | | | Hello all, im a paid firefighter ,and the only 2 types of keys, we have that fit almost every building, are elevator key's and lock box keys, we have a ring of about 20 elevators keys for the different types made , and 2 keys for the 2 different lock boxes made, your city may be different and have a system set up with the local business/landlords for certain doors keyed the same with only the fire dept having the key's, hope i was informative.
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IDChris
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<Reply # 9 on 2/26/2008 3:50 PM >
| | | | All I'm aware of is elevator keys and "Knox Box" types.
I've ordered Knox Boxes for buildings and the local fire dept will fax me over a form to fill out and send to the Knox Corp, then they send me a box to mount on the building. I'm not aware if the keys are unique to the different local fire depts or are universal to all.
After occupancy, the FD comes and locks a set of your keys inside.
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Ranar
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norcal
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<Reply # 10 on 2/26/2008 8:25 PM >
| | | | thanks for all the info but still not what I'm looking for. I remember it looked kind of like a smaller and thicker version of a slim jim...
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Pravus
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<Reply # 11 on 2/26/2008 9:36 PM >
| | | | The only thing I have ever heard called a fireman's key is the gas shutoff/water spanner tools..
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<Reply # 12 on 2/27/2008 4:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Ranar
thanks for all the info but still not what I'm looking for. I remember it looked kind of like a smaller and thicker version of a slim jim...
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Yu dont mean latch tools right?
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because they normally open a closed but not locked door.. and gets pretty tricky if they have a protector mounted properly, or if the latch is like the ones on high security doors. Anyways...theres no amazing magick tool that will do it all.. they all have drawbacks and are built for a specific job. And if there were a tool like that, i would RLY not want to get caught breaking into somewhere with it.
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UnderGrounder
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<Reply # 14 on 3/8/2008 5:12 PM >
| | | | Iv seen those shove knives before. kinda like a slim jim for a door. Most of the tools that the fire department use *im a volunteer firefighter* damage the door in one way or another, like the K tools, J Tools, or Rabit Tools. Great for getting in but definitely leave visible damage. Some buildings do have Chub boxes and Elevator keys but it depends on alot of things, and thats already been talked to death  . That shove knife would work well the only problem is that some factories have door jams that you are not able to get at the lock mechanism, and i dont think they work for dead bolt style locks, only locks that are integrated in to the door handle.
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imskippingbeats
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<Reply # 15 on 3/14/2008 5:15 PM >
| | | | The key you might be talking about is called a bump key. I ran across a youtube video a few months ago about them. You take the basic keys, and have them have one inlet, ground down as far as the machine can. When you insert the key, you whack it with something heavy, but a maglite seems to be the best option. The tapping works as a series, for instance, the bump unlocks pin 1, pin 1 being unlocked hit pin 2 which unlocks it. All in all it is a very useful system, but the legality on it is obviously still wrong. Breaking and entering at the least.
If you want the video, just go to youtube and search bump keys. Id put up a link for you but im at school so the youtube access is blocked. They have about a 7 minute documentary on them showing how effective they really can be on almost any lock.
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<Reply # 16 on 3/14/2008 6:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by imskippingbeats
the bump unlocks pin 1, pin 1 being unlocked hit pin 2 which unlocks it
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that's not actually true. I've had some fun with bump keys (ever since I saw the post on UER) and I've come across some doors that I can open with just one bump (it had 6 pins)
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logtec
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<Reply # 17 on 3/15/2008 7:09 AM >
| | | | I usat do plumbing work from "metro housing" in toronto. the management was so unorganized, half the time they didnt know "where or who" had the keys for boiler rooms, parking garages, maintenance rooms, storage, etc. Sometimes id spend half a day wondering around looking for keys while burst pipes were flooding or drains were backing-up!
So i fashioned this "key" (A) *see diagram below* out of thick sheet metal. take the "key" and slide it down (1) between the door-jam and the door (B-side view) behind the latch (C), the combination of the tapered edge and gently lifting up (2), the latch should pop open as if the knob was turned!
This WON'T work on all doors! doors with a plate covering the latch assembly can be opened if you use a long 15inch tapered piece (heavy gage) sheet metal in the same fashion!
it doesn't cost anything to make and it can be discarded easily if need be.
this "key" opened many doors for me, altho most of these doors were interior doors.
i hope this info was useful...
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Sand
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| | Re: Fireman's key..or whatever it's called
<Reply # 18 on 3/18/2008 10:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Ranar
I remember about half a year ago someone posted up basically a little piece of metal that firemen have so that you can open simple keyed doorknobs...does anyone know what I'm talking about...I need one now.
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That's not UE and you shouldn't be asking for it. It will get you into lots of trouble.
There are several "fireman's keys" due to people not realizing what they are. There is a quick opening piece of metal that can open up a door quickly, which costs about $8. It acts somewhat like a crowbar.
Why would you need this? If it's locked, find another way in. Once you start messing with that stuff, you end up in jail...even carrying that sort of tool is going to cause you issues with police if you get caught and searched.
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Sand
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<Reply # 19 on 3/18/2008 10:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by imskippingbeats
The key you might be talking about is called a bump key. I ran across a youtube video a few months ago about them. You take the basic keys, and have them have one inlet, ground down as far as the machine can. When you insert the key, you whack it with something heavy, but a maglite seems to be the best option. The tapping works as a series, for instance, the bump unlocks pin 1, pin 1 being unlocked hit pin 2 which unlocks it. All in all it is a very useful system, but the legality on it is obviously still wrong. Breaking and entering at the least.
If you want the video, just go to youtube and search bump keys. Id put up a link for you but im at school so the youtube access is blocked. They have about a 7 minute documentary on them showing how effective they really can be on almost any lock.
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Unfortunately you don't have to do all the work to make a bump key. You can buy bump key sets that are based on what you are trying to open. Again, you're looking at a heavy sentence if caught with these items. It's not worth it. And no, they are not particularly effective for several brands of locks. That's why you have locksmiths that get paid well for what they do. They don't use bumpsets because bumpsets are not reliable, can damage the lock, and are loud and annoying to use. They use professional tools and picks, because the majority of their customers are not going to have easily bumped locks.
Bumping while UEing is a good way to get you caught since it's pretty loud. One of my relatives is a locksmith in case anyone was wondering why I know things (I am not a lock picker).
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