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Jef This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Gender: Male Hey Look at me.... \|	Is it a tool? < on 5/12/2007 7:46 AM >

	This is for everyone that asks the simple question. Is this a tool? Can I be criminally charged for it? The answer is, if you have to ask then yes it is. If there is any question about it, then yes its a burglary tool. Despite what most people think or know, a flashlight is a burglury tool You can be charged for having a flashlight, you honestly do not want anymore tools on you at all. If you need a tool use it, and get rid of it. The dollar stores are great for cheap disposable tools. Take it back to your car. Take it on your path to your entrance. Just do not have it on your persons. We must also go out and meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste. William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada from 1921-1926, 1926-1930 and 1935-1948

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 1 on 5/12/2007 8:03 PM >

Posted by Jef
This is for everyone that asks the simple question.

Is this a tool? Can I be criminally charged for it?

The answer is, if you have to ask then yes it is. If there is any question about it, then yes its a burglary tool. Despite what most people think or know, a flashlight is a burglury tool You can be charged for having a flashlight, you honestly do not want anymore tools on you at all.

If you need a tool use it, and get rid of it. The dollar stores are great for cheap disposable tools. Take it back to your car. Take it on your path to your entrance. Just do not have it on your persons.

So, are you saying that we should just stumble around and walk into things because we can't see where we're going?

What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus

Yehoshua location: Ontario Gender: Male \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 2 on 5/12/2007 8:55 PM >

	No, he's saying that if you "absolutely need" a screwdriver to pull that huge sheet of plywood screwed over the doorway - don't then carry the screwdriver around with you (or put it in your car, imho) - take off the plywood, spend five minutes ditching the screwdriver in a ravine somewhere, then return to the scene of the "crime" sans tools. If you get the forewarning of hearing police/security looking for you, be grateful for the 2 minutes you're going to have, in which to get rid of everything except your camera. Honestly, toss those gloves out a window, kick your flashlight into a corner, and act like you entered the place with nothing but a camera. [last edit 5/12/2007 8:56 PM by Yehoshua - edited 1 times] Our Citizen. Our Justice. Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 3 on 5/12/2007 9:24 PM >

Posted by Yehoshua
No, he's saying that if you "absolutely need" a screwdriver to pull that huge sheet of plywood screwed over the doorway - don't then carry the screwdriver around with you (or put it in your car, imho) - take off the plywood, spend five minutes ditching the screwdriver in a ravine somewhere, then return to the scene of the "crime" sans tools.

If you get the forewarning of hearing police/security looking for you, be grateful for the 2 minutes you're going to have, in which to get rid of everything except your camera. Honestly, toss those gloves out a window, kick your flashlight into a corner, and act like you entered the place with nothing but a camera.

This is excellent advice: in my opinion!

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 4 on 5/12/2007 10:04 PM >

Posted by Shawn W.

So, are you saying that we should just stumble around and walk into things because we can't see where we're going?

No I'm just posting a rant of sorts. Everything pretty much can be considered a tool to the police, its just up to them if they charge you or not.

Its just use common sense. Nothing more.

Someone I know once got pulled over in their own car while driving. They had screwdriver sitting on their backseat. They got criminaly charged with possesion of burlary tools. Not only charged but convited.

Anything can be considered a burglary tool, its up to the police officer. Its that simple, just use your common sense and you should be fine. Anything you use to aid you to enter a property, get rid of it once it has severed its purpose.

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We must also go out and meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste.

William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada from 1921-1926, 1926-1930 and 1935-1948

propaganda location: Olympia Gender: Male \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 5 on 5/13/2007 3:12 AM >

	i use a bulldozer to ue....can this be considered a burglary tool? A.C.A.B.

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 6 on 5/13/2007 6:45 AM >

Posted by propaganda
i use a bulldozer to ue....can this be considered a burglary tool?

pics or it didnt happen! lol

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 7 on 5/13/2007 5:05 PM >

Posted by Jef
Someone I know once got pulled over in their own car while driving. They had screwdriver sitting on their backseat. They got criminaly charged with possesion of burlary tools. Not only charged but convited.

I call BS, this would never happen, otherwise every carpenter or any other craft based trade would all be in prison now. Unless your friend also had stolen stuff with him this wouldn't happen. There would be court documents so if you're not as full as BS as you seem to be, post some, its not that hard to find online.

Will a cop care if you have a flashlight or gloves, more likely than not.
Will a cop care if you have a multitool, possibly if you give them a reason to.

Cops really won't care until you get caught with say a lock pick or bolt cutters.

Shawn W.

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 8 on 5/13/2007 7:19 PM >

Posted by Yehoshua

If you get the forewarning of hearing police/security looking for you, be grateful for the 2 minutes you're going to have, in which to get rid of everything except your camera. Honestly, toss those gloves out a window, kick your flashlight into a corner, and act like you entered the place with nothing but a camera.

It's going to be hard to explain the camera when the officer asks, "So, how did you expect to take any pictures when it's pitch black inside?"

What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 9 on 5/13/2007 10:13 PM >

Posted by Shawn W.

It's going to be hard to explain the camera when the officer asks, "So, how did you expect to take any pictures when it's pitch black inside?"

Ultra long exposure.

By the way, I've once used a tripod to force open a roof hatch, so I guess that the tripod could also be seen as a bulgary tool.

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poetictightfist location: Warwick RI \| \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 10 on 5/13/2007 10:33 PM >

	wow must be a pretty strong tripod, Im pretty sure mine would crumble if I tried to do anything like that

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 11 on 5/14/2007 3:11 AM >

Posted by Pie4Weebl

I call BS, this would never happen, otherwise every carpenter or any other craft based trade would all be in prison now. Unless your friend also had stolen stuff with him this wouldn't happen. There would be court documents so if you're not as full as BS as you seem to be, post some, its not that hard to find online.

Will a cop care if you have a flashlight or gloves, more likely than not.
Will a cop care if you have a multitool, possibly if you give them a reason to.

Cops really won't care until you get caught with say a lock pick or bolt cutters.

I honestly don't care to go and find any documents proving the story, and its too bad that you don't belive this. It happened. The guy also had a record for car theft, but still a screw driver in the backseat of his own car got him charged.

The point of this thread was just to says that pretty much anything can be considered a tool. Its just up to the cops discretion.

zmuh11 location: St. Louis Gender: Male \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 12 on 5/14/2007 4:10 AM >

	Well I know that I don't go exploring without my multi-tool, so I guess I just gotta stick away from cops and other enforcement officers.

DeadBunny location: New Orleans, LA Gender: Male \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 13 on 5/14/2007 10:57 AM >

	I used a hard hat I found on site to force open a roof hatch. Does that count. BTW Rochester looks beautiful when viewed from 13 floors up in Henrieta(sp) Do not proffer sympathy to the mentally ill. Tell them firmly "I am not paid to listen to this drivel. You are a terminal fool".

CorbinDart Gender: Male \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 14 on 5/18/2007 3:45 AM >

	Duh. Yes a pair of tin snips is a tool...tool. "Patriotism reflects a secret wish to be sodomized."

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Re: Is it a tool?
<Reply # 15 on 5/31/2007 7:57 PM >

I have to agree with you.

I've been arrested for suspicion of car theft in my dad's van, wearing my Wendy's Uniform at 2:00am while dropping off my shift supervisor at his house. Cops searched my dad's van, found his work gloves, some screw drivers, other assorted tools and I was questioned for hours. They claimed I had tools to break into a cops house accross the street from my supervisors house. The next morning, my dad was contacted, curious about where I ended up. He showed up at the police station and tore a strip off the moron cops, all they had to do was knock on the front door of my supervisors house and everything would have been cleared-up. If they had bothered to contact my dad at 2:00 am then he would have told them I had permission to drive his fan and those were his tools and gloves - he is a carpenter. If I had been charged, a judge would have laughed all day at the sight of me in court, in a Wendy's uniform with my supervisor and my dad as witnesses that I had done nothing wrong.

I've also been caught with bolt cutters (36" long hahahaha) and lots of climbing gear. Cops wanted to know why we had the bolt cutters, truth was we cut the lock off a local bridge access tunnel to rappel, the story we told the cops was climbing / training at the local conservation area, we were training for self rescues during climbing, the bolt cutters were to cut the rope or carabiners while under tension, blah, blah, blah... they let us go but took the bolt cutters, we went above their heads and the police department bought me a brand new set to replace the set they 'lost'

You can't be lost if you don't care where you are!

blackhawk This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: Mission Control UER newbie \| \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 16 on 6/2/2007 7:38 PM >

	I normally carry two flashlights plus backup bats even in the daytime no matter where I go. Cops have never blink at them, even when I was arrested and they where looking for anything and everything. A lot of how a cop perceives your intent is by how you behave, and what you say, or don't say. Avoid residential housing of all kinds though, as this elevates the chance of being mistaken for something your not. Never "infiltrate" active facilities that house residents, do animal/R&D work or house patients. In the USA, in most states it can get you into serious trouble. I never carry a lighter, scanner, or screwdriver. A screwdriver is a weapon as well as a burglar tool; don't give cops too much to ponder as they will error on the side of caution. The less you have to explain, the better. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.

TurboZutek King Dick location: Scotland Gender: Male Giant octo-penised rapephant \| \| \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 17 on 6/3/2007 8:56 AM >

	I always carry a couple of dogs with me: and a backup Jack Russell, just in case: You can use them to gently open doors, undo screws, remove boards from windows, ascend and descend, rappel... So many uses. If the cops find you with them: they are just dogs. Chris... We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit.

kelbartcc location: Gainesville, FL Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 18 on 6/4/2007 5:17 AM >

	do you think it's a good idea to keep my bondage supplies in the trunk, and claim that my bolt cutters are in case i lose the key to one of my locks while my poor sub is stuck hogtied?

Jef This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Gender: Male Hey Look at me.... \|	Re: Is it a tool? <Reply # 19 on 6/5/2007 11:29 PM >

	Call bull shit all you like, I know this is fact. I know this happened, as it happened to my brother. I saw the paper work, I was in the car when this happened. You also have no idea of his record, which yes was the main reason why he was charged. Thats ok if all you retards want to continue to carry your tool and continue to ask if its a tool and can I get into trouble. I cant wait to read your posts crying and bitching about it..... I will leave you a "I told you so".... We must also go out and meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste. William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada from 1921-1926, 1926-1930 and 1935-1948

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