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|  | | | I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Tell me which of the two you think looks better. Try to avoid whether it's in color or not and focus on the sharpness and look and feel of the photo.
After you give your opinion, I'll tell you exactly why I asked it. I'm strongly considering going all analog (yes, back to the stone age). The benefits of 4x5 are hard to discern and I was hoping that people would pick the 4x5 image so I can make the investment I need to to focus on this full-time. Thanks for the input!
By the way, the top image in B&W is the 4x5 image in case you didn't know.
If you'd like to see more, take a looksie at my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tunnelbug)
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<Reply # 1 on 5/1/2007 3:43 PM >
| | | | A 4x5 72 dpi jpeg is not the way to judge the merits of a 4x5. The benefits of 4x5 are very easy to discern if you're printing photos (the larger the better), which I would expect you already know. If you showed me two 8x10s, I'm sure it would be no contest. Go, invest, be happy and productive.
What setup are you using for the big film here?
As for these two images, I like the second one better overall, since your light painting is pretty spotty in the first one. The bw does look a touch crisper though, even at this size.
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tunnelbug
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<Reply # 2 on 5/1/2007 7:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
The bw does look a touch crisper though, even at this size.
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That's what I was looking for. I need to know what your first impression is as far as crispness. I understand that 72 dpi is a poor way to compare, but unless i can send out everybody a 300 dpi print, then it's all I have 
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<Reply # 3 on 5/2/2007 1:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by tunnelbug
I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Tell me which of the two you think looks better.
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No dilemma for this little black cat, the B&W beats the pants off the second one for a pile of reasons. Not least of which is the overall feel.
4x5 is an investment in thinking about photography as well... Do it. Neko.
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trevelyan
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<Reply # 4 on 5/2/2007 5:53 PM >
| | | | 4x5s are hot stuff. I much prefer your first image, though. I would strongly suggest a 4x5 to anyone serious about photography. The only downer is when you're taking it on nasty hikes. It's not that bad if you have a carbon fiber tripod, but that can be expensive. Regardless, I'd say get the 4x5.
Personally, I use a 4x5 when I don't have a long hike, or too far to go. If I am going somewhere I might need to pack up and jet pretty quick, or if it's a good distance from my car, then I pack my medium format.
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<Reply # 5 on 5/2/2007 9:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kuroneko
No dilemma for this little black cat, the B&W beats the pants off the second one for a pile of reasons. Not least of which is the overall feel.
4x5 is an investment in thinking about photography as well... Do it. Neko.
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Thanks Kuroneko. Coming from the man who 'did' Gunkanjima, I value your opinion highly.
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<Reply # 6 on 5/2/2007 9:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by trevelyan
4x5s are hot stuff. I much prefer your first image, though. I would strongly suggest a 4x5 to anyone serious about photography. The only downer is when you're taking it on nasty hikes. It's not that bad if you have a carbon fiber tripod, but that can be expensive. Regardless, I'd say get the 4x5.
Personally, I use a 4x5 when I don't have a long hike, or too far to go. If I am going somewhere I might need to pack up and jet pretty quick, or if it's a good distance from my car, then I pack my medium format.
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Didn't know you were in Sonoma County until I looked. Anything worth shooting up there? PM me, if so. I'd love to meet up with a fellow 4x5 nut.
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<Reply # 7 on 5/2/2007 9:23 PM >
| | | | OK, I'm going to be the cold fish here, I can feel it.
I like the second one better. Now, I suck as a photographer, so my opinion may be irrelevant. However, from my uneducated perspective, the first looks "overprocessed" to me, even though I know thats not the case. I just think the second photo has a warmer, softer vibe, irrespective of color.
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tunnelbug
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<Reply # 8 on 5/2/2007 10:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
OK, I'm going to be the cold fish here, I can feel it.
I like the second one better. Now, I suck as a photographer, so my opinion may be irrelevant. However, from my uneducated perspective, the first looks "overprocessed" to me, even though I know thats not the case. I just think the second photo has a warmer, softer vibe, irrespective of color.
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I sort of agree, but I think I attribute that to the type of B&W film I used. Ilford Delta 100 is notorious for being way too contrasty. I think if I went for the 4x5, full-fledged, I'd find the right film for me and avoid the overprocessing that you speak of.
Thanks for the input, Jonsered! Much valued, as always.
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<Reply # 9 on 5/11/2007 11:50 AM >
| | | | black and white def. better, what type of 4X5 are you looking at?
the biggest I have is a fuji 6X9 which is incredible....
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tunnelbug
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<Reply # 10 on 5/11/2007 6:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by dundertits
black and white def. better, what type of 4X5 are you looking at?
the biggest I have is a fuji 6X9 which is incredible....
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I recently bought a Tachihara, but I'm considering more accessories/lenses for it. Those are the things that cost the real dough.
Processing isn't cheap either.
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trevelyan
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<Reply # 11 on 5/11/2007 9:29 PM >
| | | | I've heard Calumet has some pretty good deals on large format stuff, but have yet to head down that way and check it out. As far as processing, in the long run it might be better to develop the negs yourself. Stuff to develop is pretty cheap, and chemistry isn't that bad.
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<Reply # 12 on 5/11/2007 11:04 PM >
| | | | 1 is quite dramatic.
2 has under exposed foreground, which loses appeal for me.
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zmuh11
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<Reply # 13 on 5/13/2007 4:27 PM >
| | | | #1 kills #2 easily.
The B&W picture is very dramatic and forces your eye to move around it to get it all in.
While the color one feels sort of bland.
I don't know enough about large format film to make a comment about it. Won't learn that till I take photo 2 next year, haha.
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<Reply # 14 on 5/15/2007 1:43 AM >
| | | | #1 baby.
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