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Infiltration Forums > Archived Canada: Alberta / BC > Victoria Location (Viewed 2146 times)
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Victoria Location
< on 4/15/2007 11:18 PM >
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Hey! new to the site, seems like good people here!

Has anyone been in here:

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Is it worth the trip in the canoe??

Location Colwood, BC

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 1 on 4/15/2007 11:21 PM >
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Wow. Nice view.

I've never been there, looks like its worth the trip though.
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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 2 on 4/16/2007 4:38 PM >
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That's Cole Island, part of the Esquimalt Naval Base's collection of historic buildings. A bit of history on it is published in Martin Segger's Exploring Victoria's Architecture. The building was the guard house, built in 1864, for the Cole Island Explosives/Munitions storage facility.


As this is a published, public, high visibility site, I'm hoping that naming it doesn't violate any rules.......

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 3 on 4/17/2007 11:51 PM >
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I just stumbled upon this while walking across the nearby bridge by the pub and I hadn't seen it before (Although I haven't really lived in Vic that long) ... I did not know it was accompanied by so much history, many thanks for the info..


Might have to clean out the old canoe

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 4 on 4/18/2007 7:03 AM >
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DND has many buildings and sites in the Greater Victoria area - many of which are not being cared for very well - if at all. Another site you might want to check out is Work Point, in Esquimalt, which was originally an Army base, but was taken over by the Navy. Building 1027 - known as the "Barracks" (actually was married quarters) was built in 1891, and is a National Historic Site, but it has been vacant for some time. And the Navy is quite happy not to spend any money on it, so it sits there, gradually deteriorating. Quite a magnificent place. There are other interesting buildings down there - the gatehouse, munitions building and headquarters building, to list a few. The Navy/DND has a funny way of taking care of buildings they are mandated - by federal FHBRO legislation - to maintain. They simply ignore the legislation, and perform demolition by neglect. Unless one of their base property managers orders bulldozers to take them down, as happened more than a year ago, when a retiring manager took it upon himself to do as much damage as he could before his retirement. Lost the garden house, the weign station house, and possibly others. Sad.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 5 on 4/18/2007 7:39 AM >
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This just in: Sorry to inform you, those imbeciles destroyed the beautiful heritage Barracks Building you mention. This was the nineteenth shot I took with my then new digi cam. Hadn't even figured out how to shut off the date. A huge national and local heritage loss.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 6 on 4/18/2007 3:57 PM >
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I'm......stunned. When did this happen?

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<Reply # 7 on 4/18/2007 4:54 PM >
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I just talked to one of the Esquimalt archivists. 1027 was demolished about a year ago. Found a picture of it being demolished as well.

DND is so inept at taking care of heritage -they shouldn't be managing heritage buildings - which are, in fact, OUR heritage. Know what the property manager gave as justification? That wood buildings aren't saveable. Brick ones are, but not wood. Which from a conservation standpoint, is utter bullshit. If anything, brick buildings are more vulnerable to deterioration, more difficult to restore structurally, more vulnerable to earthquake damage. I guess all those people restoring and maintaining wood houses and buildings just don't know as much as the people in charge of heritage at DND......

The other thing that comes into play is inter-service politics. 1027 was an Army building - the oldest wood framed Army building in Western Canada (1887 or 91, depending on your source). The Navy assumed control of it not too long ago. It had tremendous importance to Army history - but not Naval history. So which buildings are kept up, maintained and preserved? The ones that the managers (Naval) consider important. Which just happen to the Naval ones.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 8 on 4/18/2007 11:52 PM >
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I agree with everything you said. It's mind numbing this kind of heritage destruction still happens. I went there a few months after taking the photo, with K.K. and J.P., and it was just a pile of sticks.

They recycled the wood. Wow. How environmentally conscious of them. This is why heritage fights are usually worth it. So at the very least the public can voice their anger, or sometimes even save some buildings.

One DND success story is the old brick buildings at Signal Hill, just before entering the Base. They were artists studios for many years, and are preserved.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 9 on 4/18/2007 11:59 PM >
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Posted by A. Lien

It's mind numbing this kind of heritage destruction still happens. I went there a few months after taking the photo, with K.K. and J.P., and it was just a pile of sticks.



...gazing in full-spectrum astonishment, as it were. An oddly juxtaposed 'marveling at the stupidity'/'weeping at the loss' sort of moment.



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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 10 on 4/19/2007 2:24 AM >
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"PLEASE NOTE: IT IS AGAINST FORUM RULES TO USE THE MODIFY FEATURE TO REMOVE MOST OR ALL OF YOUR POST." Sure, except I posted the same message twice, by accident, so I'm puttin something else in here.


I know how you feel. I'm going through it now, from a distance. As I said, DND should have nothing to do with managing heritage sites. Especially National Historic Sites.
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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 11 on 4/19/2007 2:25 AM >
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Did some more phoning around, researching. The Federal Heritage Buildings Review Office (FHBRO) is supposed to protect Canadian federal heritage. They are supposed to ensure that this heritage is maintained, and protected, under federal legislation. Wanting to know more about how 1027 was allowed to meet such a crappy end, I decided to call the offices where the people who protect our heritage work.

I tried to call the FHBRO office in Victoria yesterday...but there was no Victoria office.

So I tried to call the Vancouver office.....but there was no Vancouver Office.

So I tried to call the British Columbia office.....but there was no British Columbia Office.

But I thought, hey,that's OK, I'll just call the Western Canada Office.....no luck again.

The only FHBRO office I could find was in......guess where......Quebec. And when I called it, the one person that works there wasn't available. One person.

For all of Canada.


I declined to leave a message.

........I figure she must be pretty busy.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 12 on 4/19/2007 9:06 AM >
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What were they supposed to do? Pump a few million dollars into basically rebuilding them from the inside out. They look like they were a bunch of rotting crapholes.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 13 on 4/19/2007 3:53 PM >
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Posted by surekill
What were they supposed to do? Pump a few million dollars into basically rebuilding them from the inside out. They look like they were a bunch of rotting crapholes.


...er, Federal Heritage sites.

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<Reply # 14 on 4/19/2007 4:14 PM >
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How about: take care of them as they needed maintenance, instead of letting them deteriorate, then saying "Oh, geez, sorry, they need too much money (now that we've neglected them into decay), so we'll have to tear them down. We're so sorry, but we have no other choice."

And then cut to some idiot from the Canadian taxpayer's Federation, talking about how tax money shouldn't go into museums, heritage, etc. that it should be private sector, that we can't afford it, and various other random bits of tasty soundbyte-y bullshit.

But we have money to fund wars.

And expensive trips for the Governor-General to Siberia and 100 of her closest friends.

And illegal ad contracts with Quebec firms.

And reconstruction of the Myra Canyon Trestles.

And a 14 day event that's going to cost hundreds of millions in 2010.

And the list goes on.....

But not heritage buildings. Certainly not that. After all, we don't have enough money for that.

Should governments be rewarded for not taking care of the heritage they are obligated - by law - to? Just neglect 'em into demolition? Crap.

Just to get a sense here - how much time did YOU spend examining/assessing these buildings, to come up with your erudite - albeit completely uninformed and totally misguided - opinion on them? How many times did you visit them, and when? I'm going to guess either you never did, or you might have made a quick visit, without taking the time to really look at them. Or -you're in the military and you bought into what people like Don Beamish (the ex-property manager at CFB Esquimalt) told you. The guy who said that brick is worth preserving, wood is not. That guy. The one that knows nothing about heritage conservation.

I did take a good look, several times, and I talked with various people involved in things - and your assessment is way off.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 15 on 4/19/2007 11:42 PM >
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Well...to be fair, the military is kinda in the business of fucking shit up, so what happened in this case isn't too strange.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 16 on 4/20/2007 12:34 AM >
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Too true, too true. Forgot about that truism. Still frustrating, and disappointing and.......well, you get the idea....

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 17 on 4/20/2007 12:51 PM >
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They pretty much just look like crappy old rotting apartments. Not really very exciting or worth preserving.

the military is kinda in the business of fucking shit up

I guess that's why you're a free person and living in one of the best countries in the world.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 18 on 4/20/2007 5:48 PM >
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Surekill - You must have missed the questions I asked:

"how much time did YOU spend examining/assessing these buildings, to come up with your erudite - albeit completely uninformed and totally misguided - opinion on them? How many times did you visit them, and when?"

If you had have visited them and taken a good look, you wouldn't:

1. be making statements like that
2. dodge the questions, the answers to which obviously remove all credibility you might have on this, and make you look foolish for saying these things

Your exposure to 1027 obviously consists of a look at a picture. i.e. "Not much." Which would be an excellent reason to zip your lip, listen to people who know more about them than you do, and learn something.


These "rotting apartments" were architecturally significant and historically significant for many varied reasons (oldest wood framed military buildings in Western Canada, for the people that lived/worked there - including General Currie and other important military and non-military people).



If you haven't been there, you might want to defer to people who have, and who know their history, their condition and their significance. Do some research, before you blurt out such shallow, ignorant statements.

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Re: Victoria Location
<Reply # 19 on 4/20/2007 5:55 PM >
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Posted by surekill
They pretty much just look like crappy old rotting apartments. Not really very exciting or worth preserving.

the military is kinda in the business of fucking shit up

I guess that's why you're a free person and living in one of the best countries in the world.


Something like that. When I said the military is kinda in the business of fucking shit up, you Do understand that I meant 'they're in the business of blowing shit up.'

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