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Chronos
 
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 10/19/2006 7:42 AM >
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What the hell has 20 foot high fences? A prison?
Suggestions? Don't. If you do, don't screw up. eriw rettuc. Who said that!?
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An abandoned grainery in a bad part of town. I should have been more specific though, it's not a fence the way olaf is describing in that it doesn't surround the perimeter, it blocks off an entrance that was used as a loading bay for semi's; the entrance itself is about as wide as the fence is tall. 20 feet may be a little much, but it's a chain link gate that's a bit higher than average (welded shut) topped by the standard three lines of barbed wire on top, with an additional four or five lines that you can tell were added after the place closed.
Great tutorial olaf!
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LostInPa
   
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Harrisburg kidz in da hizzie
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<Reply # 21 on 10/19/2006 1:05 PM >
|  | | | How would you get over this one?
The only thing i could compare this fence to, is an 18ft wall of chainmale, with a 3ft overhang.
Team work. That's how!
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blackhawk
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Mission Control
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<Reply # 22 on 10/19/2006 3:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by Chronos
An abandoned grainery in a bad part of town. I should have been more specific though, it's not a fence the way olaf is describing in that it doesn't surround the perimeter, it blocks off an entrance that was used as a loading bay for semi's; the entrance itself is about as wide as the fence is tall. 20 feet may be a little much, but it's a chain link gate that's a bit higher than average (welded shut) topped by the standard three lines of barbed wire on top, with an additional four or five lines that you can tell were added after the place closed.
Great tutorial olaf!
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I wouldn't scale it, tell that much.
Damn LostInPa, that is a user unfriendly enclosure. More good reasons to leave only footprints ( maybe better clean those up too); never good to stir up the locals if it can be avoided. Not when then they erect fences like that!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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kjohnnytarr
 
location:
Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| |  | Re: Fence bypass tutorial 56k warning
<Reply # 23 on 10/19/2006 3:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by LostInPa
How would you get over this one?
The only thing i could compare this fence to, is an 18ft wall of chainmale, with a 3ft overhang.
Team work. That's how!
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There's a thread here somewhere concerning a similar fence on an island or something. It's a good read.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Fence bypass tutorial 56k warning
<Reply # 25 on 10/19/2006 9:40 PM >
| | | | Yeah, that thread was total bullshit too, the fence picture was taken straight off the web. I commented about this in the last or second to last page of the thread, someone saw the fence on the internet and made up a bogus story about it.
LostinPa, that's a damn nice fence, very high quality. Going on only the photos I have seen, if you want to get over you will need a grapple (could work well due to the fences "anti climb" angle at the top) or a tall ladder. I suspect something like this has a gate of course, lets see that. Great photos by the way, nice and clear.
It's raining again today so the next update will have to wait.
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Olaf
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Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Fence bypass tutorial 56k warning
<Reply # 26 on 10/21/2006 12:37 AM >
| | | | Today I got the photos I had planned on getting yesterday. When looking for the best spot to cross your fence it is wise to examine every section possible as you never know what unforseen advantage may be found, the same goes for obstacles. Here is a 12' half moon chain link security fence which guards a juvenile facility. Getting in would be much easier than getting back out obviously. This is a fence that crampons would be great for getting in and a climbing hook and knotted or looped line would be best for getting back out. Ascenders also are perfect for this as they are commercially available and designed just for this purpose. Of course this would be if the fence didn't have enormous gaps in it like the one you see here so pretend those aren't there.
Every fence has weaknesses, here is a fence that for the most part would be much more difficult than any chain link fence. Places that a fence meets some other object or structure are always your best bet for crossing this type of fence. If you tried crossing along the fences length there are no footholds, the bars are narrow and the tops are not large enough for a good handhold. This fence is also 8' tall so climbing would simply be inadvisable. However, here is the fences weakness, a section of brick wall 5' high that provides the perfect crossing point. Not only does this make climbing over as simple as a ladder it is also in a secluded part of the location and not covered by any lights at night. I had to drive all the way around this location to find this spot, everywhere else along the fences length is highly exposed and continuous. So again, look everywhere as you never know when you will find that perfect gap in the fences armor.
Here is the only example of this type of fence I have been able to find in this area so far. Disregard the open door you see and lets approach this one as though the fence had no open sections. This fence is easily twenty feet high, has zero hand or footholds and is anti scale. The openings are roughly one quarter inch width wise and one half inch length wise. The gaps are sufficient for crampons however this is a fence that would require custom built hand hooks. With carefully designed hooks and crampons this fence would be easily scalable, the difficult part would be when crossing over the very top. As the fence material is thin I suggest using gloves with thick palm padding for crossing over. I have found that weight gloves and some skateboarder gloves are excellent for this purpose. Using a grapple on this type of fence is not advised.
Now we are going to look at using natural objects as concealment and climbing aids. Concealment is anything near your objective you can use to remain hidden: trees, bushes, other buildings, rubble, a vehicle, large telephone pole, barrels, anything that you can hide behind while you recon the site or attempt to cross is concealment. What you find may not be ideal, it may only cover you from one side or another ie. keep you hidden from those on the inside as you cross or keep you hidden from those on the outside who may see you going in. There may be no cover at all or it may not be in the spot you plan to cross your fence. Use what you have and keep cover in mind when you plan your crossing. When you choose where you will cross pick the spot that 1. takes either the least amount of time (estimated or if you practiced) or 2. affords you with the most cover while you cross. You want to spend as little time going over (going in and coming out) as possible.
When I went over this fence I found four cinderblocks lying around and stacked them against the fence for a boost when I planned to leave. A week later (today) the blocks are still stacked exactly where I left them despite the site being active during the day while renovation work is being done. Had I thought about it a little more I would have stacked the blocks closer to the chain link so I could push them over once I was back on the outside. As the cinderblocks were scattered right by the fence before I repositioned them as a step had I pushed them back over there would be even less evidence I had been there. Since a week had gone by since my last visit and whomever comes and goes through this gate might notice I simply left them where they were. The top of the post you see here has no cap and the edges were sharp so I was glad I had my gloves with me. Nothing puts you at the scene better than your own DNA.
An empty, gutted transformer box provided me a 3' boost to get over this fence.
Here is a great example of both cover and climbing aid for gaining access to a site. The barrels, box and shelf unit allow me the best of both worlds. Not only does this setup provide cover and a climb aid but the whole thing is directly beneath a working floodlight. Why is this a good thing you ask? A persons eyes are adjusted to the light levels around them (ambient light) and not the light levels in a certain area they are looking. At night if you are looking in the direction of a street light that is facing you it is very difficult to see what is on the other side. A better example is when someone shines a flashlight in your face, all you can see is the light and not the person. This is the same principle, the barrels and shelf unit shield me from direct vision and the light overhead will serve to make me totally invisible to anyone anywhere else on the lot. Once on the other side of the fence I can use the barrels as cover while I decide where I want to go and the shelf unit above me will provide cover from the direct illumination of the overhead light.
I was unable to find many other examples of cover in the locations I visited today but I will certainly have more before long. The next segment will deal with how to choose the best way to approach your target and timing your crossover.
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LostInPa
location:
Harrisburg kidz in da hizzie
| | Re: Fence bypass tutorial 56k warning
<Reply # 27 on 10/22/2006 8:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by Olaf
LostinPa, that's a damn nice fence, very high quality. Going on only the photos I have seen, if you want to get over you will need a grapple (could work well due to the fences "anti climb" angle at the top) or a tall ladder. I suspect something like this has a gate of course, lets see that. Great photos by the way, nice and clear.
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Been there, done that!
 
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Fence bypass tutorial 56k warning
<Reply # 28 on 10/26/2006 8:52 PM >
| | | | I have been working a lot lately and will have an update in a few days.
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I am Legend
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New Jersey / Central NJ
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 10/30/2006 1:15 AM >
| | | | You should be able to get under the majority of fences with a car-jack (included with every car). You can either put it under and crank it up or use it sideways to separate sections of a fence.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 11/9/2006 9:38 PM >
| | | | My service provider switched hands and I have been largely without internet for several weeks now but finally it is back up and running so I will have an update for the tutorial very soon. About a carjack, many fences don't have the clearance at the bottom to even fit a jack under them and if they do they can probably be pulled back without the jacks help.
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Free Baller
location:
New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
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<Reply # 31 on 11/9/2006 10:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by LostInPa
How would you get over this one?
The only thing i could compare this fence to, is an 18ft wall of chainmale, with a 3ft overhang.
Team work. That's how!
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Those are easy if you have upper body strength and the best practice ive found is at baseball diamonds
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 11/9/2006 11:37 PM >
| | | | This isn't normal chain link, that's a 9' tall anti scale fence with no hand or footholds, you would need climbing spikes or a grapple.
"I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum"
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Free Baller
location:
New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
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<Reply # 33 on 11/10/2006 6:15 AM >
| | | | I wonder if you could use that sign to pull yourself up then push off and grab the top.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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