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NightOpsTech \|	How to Never get caught with a scanner < on 9/14/2006 1:58 AM >

	Hello All, I am new to Urban Exploration, however I am a 12 year Security Electronics Expert, I know about EVERY alarm panel, Video Surveillance , Etc. But My biggest pride is knowing Police Terminology, understand Scanner Frequencies, and most of all, I modified a scanner to transmit it's audio through regular FMRS radio's, allowing ANYONE in our group to hear the scanner audio, but leaving the scanner WELL away from the UE Site. I am from Kitchener/Waterloo, looking for other UEr's... Great site!!! Cumbre Vieja...NYC's Worst enemy...Via Con Dios.

Mark Very Noble Donor location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole? \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 1 on 9/14/2006 2:03 AM >

	Welcome, sounds absolutely cool. I have not attempted anything like that yet, but I am interested in getting a portable scanner one of these days taht can listen to motorola. unfortunately most of the tech heads around here have kind of gone away from the area. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles"

NightOpsTech \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 2 on 9/14/2006 3:05 AM >

	Well I plan to stick around here for a while, If anyone has ANY questions about Security Systems, Scanners, Frequencies or Tools to bring for UE'ing... let me KNOW!!! I have lots to learn too, so anyone who has any info LET ME KNOW... I am from the K-W Area, anyone else?? Cumbre Vieja...NYC's Worst enemy...Via Con Dios.

Turd Furgusen location: Charleston, WV Gender: Male I think marijuana is just nature's way of saying high! \| \| \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 3 on 9/14/2006 3:19 PM >

	Does most security use CB or FM for thier gear??? Everyone has a dark side, mines just a little more illuminated.

DevilC location: Washington, District of Corruption Gender: Male I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views. \| \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 4 on 9/14/2006 3:25 PM >

	What about trunked and frequency hopping systems? A scanner will do you no good for trunked freqs and most police are going that route. Discuss. Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings.

Spyder location: Ottawa Gender: Male Holy Fuck!!! There's a tree frog in the toilet! \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 5 on 9/14/2006 3:57 PM >

	Not to mention digital encryption. With digital encryption you are SOL. [last edit 9/14/2006 3:57 PM by Spyder - edited 1 times]

el nerdo Chief UER Lackey Gender: Male What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census? \| \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 6 on 9/14/2006 6:01 PM >

	What I want to know is how you modified a scanner to transmit? No scanners have any sort of TX capable electronics inside them. The only thing I can think of is that you're routing the audio from a scanner into another radio that retransmits it on FRS/GMRS. Making a scanner transmit isn't possible. Now if you're using a commerical radio (motorola, etc.) to 'scan' the police, and then retransmitting, that's interesting... of course, those radios and comms are half-duplex, so you couldn't have the receiving radio retransmit at the same time. Unless you've done some serious reengineering... Share, please!

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Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner
<Reply # 7 on 9/14/2006 6:06 PM >

Posted by Mark
I am interested in getting a portable scanner one of these days taht can listen to motorola.

This one will do Motorola Type II/IIi, *and* Astro P25:
http://www.radiosh...&parentPage=family

This one will scan Motorola Type II/IIi, but no P25:
http://www.radiosh...&parentPage=family

This is a good deal, an older model, but still trunking-capable:
http://www.radiosh...&parentPage=family

Here's a list of all the Uniden handheld scanners:
http://www.uniden....rs&filter=Handheld

There are some cheaper ones at RatShack (I think there's a $99 one that does trunking, but it's older). If you want to listen, spend as much as you can.

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Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner
<Reply # 8 on 9/14/2006 7:17 PM >

Posted by DevilC
What about trunked and frequency hopping systems?
A scanner will do you no good for trunked freqs and most police are going that route.
Discuss.

Um....there are scanners you can listening to trunked frequencies

NightOpsTech \|	Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner <Reply # 9 on 9/14/2006 7:30 PM >

	(Lengthy Post) Thanks for your replies, It is not necessary to buy a Digital Scanner, as the only forces using this are RCMP, OPP & some Ambulance Companies. Local Police/Fire/Ambulance uses the EDACS standard network or Motorla Smart II. I use a Uniden Bearcat 246T Trunk Tracker III Scanner Model BC246T $349.00 In order to transmit the audio from the scanner, into standard FMRS/GMRS Walkie-Talkies, is like this: Open ONE of the FMRS/GMRS Walkie Talkies Glue down the PTT (Push to Talk) Button remove the MIC from inside the walkie talkie, and solder longer wires onto the Mic circuit Drill a 1/4" Hole in the side of the walkie talkie Install a Headphone jack (radio shack) into the hole Re-connect the MIC Circuit to the headphone jacks Re-assemble the Walkie-Talkie I take out the speaker, because I use a Clear Coiled Covert Earpiece like the Secret Service uses. You dont want the speaker in the walkie to blast high-volume Police chatter if the cord gets unplugged by accident. Now all you do is tape the GMRS to the scanner Plug one end of a double ended headphone jack into the scanner, and the other end into the MIC PLUG (that you just installed) on the Walkie Talkie. Now tape the scanner to the walkie talkie, and VOILA!!! You have Scanner in a walkie talkie!! THe batteries will run down faster becasue the FMRS Radio is CONSTANTLY transmitting, (because the PTT button is glued down) Make sure you KNOW your scanner terminology, because you wont have the screen of the scanner to tell you what Police Radio is transmitting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- So there you go, that is my portable psuedo-scanner in a nutshell. Lemme know if you have any questions!!!! (BTW) anyone with a GMRS scanner can simply change to the FMRS/GMRS channel and privacy code that the scanner is on, and listen in, then just change channels to communicate with your group again. Boo-Ya!! [last edit 9/14/2006 7:33 PM by NightOpsTech - edited 1 times] Cumbre Vieja...NYC's Worst enemy...Via Con Dios.

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Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner
<Reply # 10 on 9/14/2006 8:33 PM >

Posted by NightOpsTech
(Lengthy Post)

Thanks for your replies, It is not necessary to buy a Digital Scanner, as the only forces using this are RCMP, OPP & some Ambulance Companies. Local Police/Fire/Ambulance uses the EDACS standard network or Motorla Smart II.

For now... Toronto Police are testing P25 right now on certain talkgroups.
And all throughout the USA, there are plenty of P25 systems.

If you're exploring in rural Ontario, P25 is a good idea as you'll need it to hear the OPP.

Open ONE of the FMRS/GMRS Walkie Talkies
Glue down the PTT (Push to Talk) Button
remove the MIC from inside the walkie talkie,
and solder longer wires onto the Mic circuit
Drill a 1/4" Hole in the side of the walkie talkie
Install a Headphone jack (radio shack) into the hole
Re-connect the MIC Circuit to the headphone jacks
Re-assemble the Walkie-Talkie

I figured you were doing something like that. It's a dirty hack, but a useful one.

THe batteries will run down faster becasue the FMRS Radio is CONSTANTLY transmitting, (because the PTT button is glued down)

Why not go all out and integrate a VOX circuit into it to the radio only transmits when there's traffic?

Or better yet, use a mobile radio instead of a handheld... hook it up to your car battery, program it for FRS/GMRS, and run the scanner into the rig? You get way longer life through the car battery (hours upon hours), an external antenna, and (with a 50W radio) 100X the TX power.

Then you can park the car a few miles away from where you are, leave the radio and the scanner on, and it'll TX to you when there's traffic. The range using a regular FRS/GMRS walkie would be absolutely dreadful.

How do you deal with interunit comms? If you've dedicated an FRS channel to scanning, do you carry a second radio just for comms? If the "scanner" radio is on constant PTT, it'll prevent any of your team from talking on that frequency, because all you'll hear is an open carrier most of the time.

I like where you've gone with this, but with a little work and planning, you could make it way better.

(BTW) anyone with a GMRS scanner can simply change to the FMRS/GMRS channel and privacy code that the scanner is on, and listen in, then just change channels to communicate with your group again.

Okay, that answers that question. But what happens if you're listening to the scanner traffic, and one of your group is franticly trying to contact you?

[last edit 9/14/2006 8:34 PM by el nerdo - edited 1 times]

NightOpsTech

Re: How to Never get caught with a scanner
<Reply # 11 on 9/14/2006 8:58 PM >

Posted by el nerdo
Why not go all out and integrate a VOX circuit into it to the radio only transmits when there's traffic?

Because my "quick and dirty hack" can be done in less than half an hour, and considering you might have to toss the radio in a lake or something (you can't have a scanner during commission of a crime, but they would be hardpressed to figure out that you had police traffic on a pueny Cobra Radio, I'm happy this mod works, scanners are hardly disposable (especially after all the friggin programming!!!)

Posted by el nerdo
Or better yet, use a mobile radio instead of a handheld... hook it up to your car battery, program it for FRS/GMRS, and run the scanner into the rig? You get way longer life through the car battery (hours upon hours), an external antenna, and (with a 50W radio) 100X the TX power.

Then you can park the car a few miles away from where you are, leave the radio and the scanner on, and it'll TX to you when there's traffic. The range using a regular FRS/GMRS walkie would be absolutely dreadful.

That's a Primo idea! Another project for the rolling papers

Posted by el nerdo
How do you deal with interunit comms? If you've dedicated an FRS channel to scanning, do you carry a second radio just for comms? If the "scanner" radio is on constant PTT, it'll prevent any of your team from talking on that frequency, because all you'll hear is an open carrier most of the time.

I use 2 radios, Scanner in 1 earpice, Radio in the other.

Posted by el nerdo
Okay, that answers that question. But what happens if you're listening to the scanner traffic, and one of your group is franticly trying to contact you?

Well, likely the reason a Member is "frantically" trying to reach me, is probbably a direct result of what I've just heard over the scanner, unless of course it's because Timmy is stuck in a Well!

NOPST.

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