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Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
< on 9/2/2006 7:07 PM >
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Hi,

I luckily came across this site while looking for more information on UE, and have been very impressed with the tremendous amount of depth within.

One question that I’ve always wanted to ask is do the benefits of carrying a Swiss-army knife/other small blade on an expedition outweigh the cons of being caught and hassled due to possession of something that could be perceived as a weapon?

Obviously the simplest solution is to not get caught, and I’m assuming it’s not a great problem (I mean would law enforcement even consider something that small a weapon?) but I figured it’d be a crime to not seek out others’ input..

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 1 on 9/2/2006 8:46 PM >
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Swiss army knives and leathermans are legal to carry. You shouldn't have any problems at all with them.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 2 on 9/2/2006 8:53 PM >
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I can't speak about the US, but in Canada they are not considered a 'weapon'.
Check your state and local laws, but I highly doubt they are considered a weapon. In a nation where lots of folks tote handguns, I doubt your local police would hassle you to any degree. Mind you if you ever have been 'detained' by the 'boys in blue' they will ask you if there is anything on your person that may 'prick or cut' them when they search you, and all you have to state is "I have a pocket knife or a Swiss army knife in my pocket..."
Very important tool to have btw,have had one for years, never leave home without it...
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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 3 on 9/2/2006 10:03 PM >
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In the US, I'd be less concerned about it being considered a weapon, and more about it being considered a tool for B&E by any authorities you might encounter.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 4 on 9/2/2006 10:24 PM >
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I've got a Gerber (Leatherman) that I carry with me. It can be pretty handy.

I've always thought that if it looked like I was going to get busted, I would just drop the thing and leave it.



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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 5 on 9/3/2006 2:24 AM >
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Many states consider a knife over 2.5 inches to be a weapon. That being said if a cop wanted your balls he could potentially have them if your knife was concealed, even a multi tool. For those of you over 21, you can get your conceal carry in at least a few states, and that covers haveing a pocket knife of any type even if you are illegaly tresspassing. Obviously check local laws and such.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 6 on 9/3/2006 6:34 AM >
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I carry a box cutter 9-11 style.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 7 on 9/3/2006 2:09 PM >
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I carry a leatherman wave in a belt pouch -- visible. It's a useful multi-tool and can be used for soooo many things.

Carrying a box cutter is just plain stupid - if stopped you can not explain it away also is weapon of choice for so many idiots.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 8 on 9/3/2006 7:40 PM >
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Posted by ems_ranger
Carrying a box cutter is just plain stupid - if stopped you can not explain it away also is weapon of choice for so many idiots.



It's more of a fold up utility knife. (think pocket knife with replaceable blade)

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 9 on 9/4/2006 12:46 AM >
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Posted by mattsb2000



It's more of a fold up utility knife. (think pocket knife with replaceable blade)


ok sorry thought you meant the flat razor blade box cutter.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 10 on 9/4/2006 3:11 AM >
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ok sorry thought you meant the flat razor blade box cutter.




No need to apologize.

I brought it on myself.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 11 on 9/6/2006 12:56 AM >
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Most cops I've talked to don't regard Swiss Army Knives and leathermans as knives.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 12 on 9/6/2006 6:48 AM >
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Posted by res_novae
Most cops I've talked to don't regard Swiss Army Knives and leathermans as knives.


Anyone who'll try to use a Swiss Army knife or multi-tool blade as a weapon will discover what a moron they are the second that non-locking blade folds shut across their own thumb. This logic could probably used to convince a cop you have such a device as a utility only. Especially if you're up front about what you're doing in that old building in the first place, polite to them and are not found with anything else other than maybe a camera and a flashlight on your person.



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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 13 on 9/6/2006 9:05 AM >
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Posted by res_novae
Most cops I've talked to don't regard Swiss Army Knives and leathermans as knives.


Most cops wont pull you over for 2 miles over the speed limit, but on a rare occasion they will. No matter what you think a leatherman, victorinox, Mcguyver swiss army knife are knives, and can be used against you in a court of law.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 14 on 9/6/2006 12:21 PM >
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Posted by Primer


Anyone who'll try to use a Swiss Army knife or multi-tool blade as a weapon will discover what a moron they are the second that non-locking blade folds shut across their own thumb.


you dont know much about fighting do you? Id rather have a 2.5" blade than no blade at all

Mark help me out here man, you posted some pics or links to some pics of some poor guy that got all flayed open in a street fight it looked like it couldve been done with a short blade too

ps: as to the title of this thread, only a girl would call a Swiss Army knife a; (sic) thingamjig
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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 15 on 9/6/2006 3:49 PM >
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you dont know much about fighting do you? Id rather have a 2.5" blade than no blade at all

Mark help me out here man, you posted some pics or links to some pics of some poor guy that got all flayed open in a street fight it looked like it couldve been done with a short blade too

ps: as to the title of this thread, only a girl would call a Swiss Army knife a; (sic) thingamjig


Unless you're trained in knife fighting, you're almost always going to be better off with your fists in a one-on-one standing fight. I don't claim to be an expert, but most of the resources I've looked into suggest that you're more likely to have your assailant use the weapon against you than be able to effectively utilize it against them.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 16 on 9/6/2006 10:43 PM >
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Its debatable on that. If your assailant is a good fighter then yes, he will use it against you. However, with any knife, just poke it at people, once ligaments start severing, blood goes everywhere, they realize that the cut into their hand stops them from making a correct fist, they'd back off.

And yes, its technically a weapon. However, I'd rather have my multi-tool than not, I'm willing to take that chance.

I understand if some aren't though, and fully endorse that as well, just don't go exploring with a machete (unless your in the frickin jungle).

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 17 on 9/6/2006 10:52 PM >
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Posted by Mark


Most cops wont pull you over for 2 miles over the speed limit, but on a rare occasion they will. No matter what you think a leatherman, victorinox, Mcguyver swiss army knife are knives, and can be used against you in a court of law.


If I remember correctly In maryland the law is under 2.5" or 3"
But you can carry a locking blade (I believe it needs to be visible if the blade locks). It was the normal thing for the scenesters when I was working the door at a night club in baltimore a few years ago to have a flick knife clipped to there pocket. I never heard of anyone getting in trouble over them, and some of these people were getting arrested every couple of weeks.

Another interesting thing is (again this is in MD) if you are active military, EMS, police, or only have one hand. You can carry a switch-blade legally.

Having said that. A bad cop might harass you for whatever reason he wants.

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 18 on 9/6/2006 11:58 PM >
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I think a cop can nail any blade on you if he sees (or wants to see) intent behind it.. even the lil Swiss army knives.. and why am I a moron for carrying a box cutter? I use one at work and am required to have at least one sharp blade on me at all times at work.. So it entered my crap that I throw in my pockets everyday.. Also by that I see a damn good reason on why I have it on me..

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Re: Swiss-Army Thingamjigs
<Reply # 19 on 9/7/2006 12:08 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations


you dont know much about fighting do you? Id rather have a 2.5" blade than no blade at all




Won and lost more than my fair share. A Bic lighter as a fistpack has proven MORE than effective for me. Don't know what I do with a non-locking blade other than slice myself and drop the thing in a fit of drunken cussing.



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