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distorted void location: Illinois Gender: Male What you risk shows what you value. \| \|	Question about utility tunnels < on 8/4/2006 6:36 PM >

	So in theory, can you find utility tunnels under malls , strip malls, and building complexes? EDIT: cause im pretty bored right first off, and im curious. [last edit 8/4/2006 6:37 PM by distorted void - edited 2 times] I love doing things in which others have no idea even exist, dont you?

Chronos location: Phoenix, Arizona Gender: Male \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 1 on 8/4/2006 7:36 PM >

	Short answer: Yes. There have been threads about this, but yeah, you can find utility tunnels under some larger buildings. You might have to actually be in the building to do this, but you might be able to access them through a manhole. Personally I've found a couple maintenance tunnels by lifting manhole covers. "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain

SoupForDummies \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 2 on 8/5/2006 4:12 AM >

	All I know of under the local mall here is a storm drain, granted, it's the BIGGEST storm drain I know of within about 30 miles. Where did you find those sorts of tunnels under manholes? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 3 on 8/5/2006 1:00 PM >

Posted by SoupForDummies
All I know of under the local mall here is a storm drain, granted, it's the BIGGEST storm drain I know of within about 30 miles.

Where did you find those sorts of tunnels under manholes?

Well usually some manholes say STORM DRAIN on it and many underground drains connect in some way. So if you went manhole popping STORM DRAIN's you might just end up in one.

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ems_ranger \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 4 on 8/5/2006 1:51 PM >

	Some utility tunnels and manholes are pretty dangerous - in NYC a couple of people have been killed just by stepping on them, high voltage is nothing to screw with- had some training w/local utility in fire dept - they said never enter w/o power off to manhole as some wires are 30+ years old & they just go or you can brush up to & get fried.

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 5 on 8/5/2006 2:23 PM >

Posted by ems_ranger
Some utility tunnels and manholes are pretty dangerous - in NYC a couple of people have been killed just by stepping on them, high voltage is nothing to screw with- had some training w/local utility in fire dept - they said never enter w/o power off to manhole as some wires are 30+ years old & they just go or you can brush up to & get fried.

Shit, well how about if your popping the manhole with a crowbar and say have rubber gloves on?

I guess you could also test the manhole cover with an electricity tester (dont know much about those).

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 6 on 8/5/2006 3:47 PM >

Posted by distorted void

Shit, well how about if your popping the manhole with a crowbar and say have rubber gloves on?

I guess you could also test the manhole cover with an electricity tester (dont know much about those).

If it has HV lines, avoid. Rubber gloves are near useless, and a standard DVM can't be used to test these circuits. Keep in mind that after 911 these are consider possible terrorists targets and/or access points to targets.

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 7 on 8/5/2006 5:43 PM >

Posted by blackhawk
If it has HV lines, avoid. Rubber gloves are near useless, and a standard DVM can't be used to test these circuits. Keep in mind that after 911 these are consider possible terrorists targets and/or access points to targets.

Definately . . . if I was a terrorist, utility tunnels would be the first thing I'd hit.

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distorted void location: Illinois Gender: Male What you risk shows what you value. \| \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 8 on 8/5/2006 7:49 PM >

	oh i see...so everyone heres a terrorist....hmmm....lmfao kidding EDIT: But in the philosophical text, how do you define a terrorist? Many people just accept the labels people claim as terrorists. You can use the dictionary and check the word terrorism, but in the truest essence definition of a terrorist is twisted with the words and phrases and uses of english slang and the ability to use metaphors and countless other gestures; so inevitably, irrevocably, the word terrorist is just a symbolic meaning of something a government does not like, or a people or group does not like. Now after saying my philosophical tangent, because all I ever do is think, (you guys should see my blogs...), UEing can be wrongly labeled as acts of terrorism in the future, so beware what a government is capable of, even if were not doing anything wrong as there have been probably thousands of these debates about UEing on how ethical or moral it is; but generally we dont do anything but trespass, even so-if someone really wanted and enough people agreed lawmakers could, in theory make UEing illegal, just a future thought. [last edit 8/5/2006 9:55 PM by distorted void - edited 1 times] I love doing things in which others have no idea even exist, dont you?

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 9 on 8/5/2006 9:58 PM >

Posted by Horus

Definately . . . if I was a terrorist, utility tunnels would be the first thing I'd hit.

I can 100% guarantee you that the government knows this and thats why in higher security areas they GENERALLY have security set up around the areas of potential "terrorism" targets and usually have cameras and intrusion alarm systems set up down in the utility tunnels. Especially major cities in the US, and higher targets.

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 10 on 8/5/2006 10:14 PM >

Posted by distorted void
oh i see...so everyone heres a terrorist....hmmm....lmfao kidding

EDIT: But in the philosophical text, how do you define a terrorist? Many people just accept the labels people claim as terrorists. You can use the dictionary and check the word terrorism, but in the truest essence definition of a terrorist is twisted with the words and phrases and uses of english slang and the ability to use metaphors and countless other gestures; so inevitably, irrevocably, the word terrorist is just a symbolic meaning of something a government does not like, or a people or group does not like.

Now after saying my philosophical tangent, because all I ever do is think, (you guys should see my blogs...), UEing can be wrongly labeled as acts of terrorism in the future, so beware what a government is capable of, even if were not doing anything wrong as there have been probably thousands of these debates about UEing on how ethical or moral it is; but generally we dont do anything but trespass, even so-if someone really wanted and enough people agreed lawmakers could, in theory make UEing illegal, just a future thought.

Yeah, interesting points. I don't think urban exploration is popular enough (yet) for the government to take any serious action against us. But if (as I fear), someday every bored teen looking for a place to drink goes into the local abandoned Mill and calls himself an urban explorer, then I could see trouble. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love underground stuff because it's so obscure and oddball to the general public that I couldn't imagine someone doing it out of the blue. And those that do, are usually good explorers.

I think most people notice more security in the steam tunnels. The local university (The University of Virginia) here has very well-locked steam tunnels. I have yet to attempt to breach them, as another explorer with far more experience in that area than me has tried to get in and only managed to access a small portion, and that was after lots of scouting and an accurate map.

But I think the universities are more worried about drunk frat boys burning themselves on some piping than terrorists, at least right now. If the terrorists strike again (and, again, I think they will), we will definately have some serious shit on our hands. Who knows how oppressive the government could get with another excuse to "keep us safe". Then again, our ports are left pretty open (yet I can't bring a match onto an airplane), so if they have that gaping hole in the system I don't see why they'd go to overt lengths to guard the storm drains.

The future of urban exploration is kind of up-in-the-air right now. We'll have to see what happens this decade.

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 11 on 8/5/2006 10:18 PM >

Posted by distorted void

I can 100% guarantee you that the government knows this and thats why in higher security areas they GENERALLY have security set up around the areas of potential "terrorism" targets and usually have cameras and intrusion alarm systems set up down in the utility tunnels. Especially major cities in the US, and higher targets.

uh-huh. You are hit it dead on. Best to avoid these. Trouble is you may not know what they consider potential targets, or exactly what long tunnels run near. You'll get visitors if you get to bold.

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tron_2.0 location: Ohio Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 12 on 8/6/2006 5:22 PM >

	moving on to the thread... [quote][i]Posted by yokes[/i] I find your lack of coziness.... disturbing. [/quote]

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Re: Question about utility tunnels
<Reply # 13 on 8/6/2006 7:15 PM >

Posted by tron_2.0
moving on to the thread...

hey i got my answers.

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tron_2.0 location: Ohio Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 14 on 8/7/2006 3:14 AM >

	i know [quote][i]Posted by yokes[/i] I find your lack of coziness.... disturbing. [/quote]

BSUE_McCormack \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 15 on 8/13/2006 8:16 PM >

	We found a small utility tunnel out in the middle of nowhere. After doing some research we found out is was an old testing facillity. They used to test ejection seats from a rail car and the tunnels were for all the cables and wiring for different cameras and insterments. Since the site was converted back into farm land. We could see some of the concrete sticking up in places and 3 manholes, that's how we found it.

aaronni location: South Puget Sound \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 16 on 8/14/2006 3:22 AM >

	As far as manhole popping I've found that you'll find more interesting places in historic districts and it's best to check unmarked lids. Last weekend my tunnel companion and I found a 3' high steam tunnel a block long, an underground heating oil tank that was around 20' long and 8' wide and one 36" wide manhole labelled STEAM that I have to make a tool to open soon. Also, has anyone else seen the older square or rectangular manholes that have actually pop up handles? They're so damn nice and almost all manholes with those have something good beneath them. never know until you go

MindHacker location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder. \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 17 on 8/14/2006 7:11 PM >

	Incase you have alot of popping to do, heres a shortcut in the draining community. Sniff test. Also, be careful popping "steam" manholes, as if it really is steam and it is sealed down tight, you could get effed over (steam causes stronger burns than water, as its both hotter and it can condense on you, throwing even more heat into you). Some of those mofos get hot. But if it has holes in it, go for it, just watch what you touch on the inside. Let us know. And BSUE: That sounds cool. Where was it? "That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire

BSUE_McCormack \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 18 on 8/16/2006 1:25 AM >

	Out near Glasgow.

ems_ranger \|	Re: Question about utility tunnels <Reply # 19 on 8/18/2006 1:21 AM >

	Also watch out for asbestos - quite a few steam and electric tunnels have asbestos - in a confined space is not good.

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