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<Reply # 20 on 7/12/2006 1:36 PM >
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Posted by Ducky_SJ
Real artists wouldn't spray their name on a wall at an abandoned asylum or school anyway; they'd go for the roof.
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Where the hell did that info come from, the Big Book of Art Guidelines? I thought real artists, whatever those may be, wouldn't do it at all.
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<Reply # 21 on 7/12/2006 2:54 PM >
| | | | verygood captorbit and ducky.
deuterium is over here trying to impose every smallest facet of his specific belief towards urbex on all of us. listen, quit talking like your word is the most high. some of what you say maybe be true to the laws, but theres alot of fucked up laws in the world and if youre trying to make a claim to the truth and righteousness of your position in this arguement based on the laws, then youre just a hypocrite. you tresspass and take little trinkets as much as you may try to vehemently deny it, just like the rest of us. its okay, you dont need to quote my reply in a few different posts to show how completely ethically and legally wrong i am TO YOU. we understand, now its time for you to understand that YOURE GONNA HAVE VARYING OPINIONS ON THINGS FROM OTHER PEOPLE, NOT EVERYONE WILL SHARE YOUR EXACT PHILOSOPHY. k? thats all im sayin ease up on the preaching
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<Reply # 22 on 7/12/2006 3:04 PM >
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we understand, now its time for you to understand that YOURE GONNA HAVE VARYING OPINIONS ON THINGS FROM OTHER PEOPLE, NOT EVERYONE WILL SHARE YOUR EXACT PHILOSOPHY. k? thats all im sayin ease up on the preaching
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<Reply # 23 on 7/12/2006 3:10 PM >
| | | | why is his behavior typical or something?
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<Reply # 24 on 7/12/2006 4:01 PM >
| | | | Personally, I enjoy graffiti done well where it is sanctioned (for example, the Style in Progress alley in Toronto.. that shit's amazing.. and legal). I don't care if it is a tag or the Sistine chapel, I don't enjoy seeing graffiti in or on anything. And while I appreciate the artistry and skill that undoubtedly goes into the creation of the art, I place it in the same category as simple tagging. Just as some don't care about the difference between trespassing and B&E, I don't care about the difference between tagging and full-blown artistry. Vandalism is vandalism when it comes down to it.
I do appreciate there is a degree hypocrisy inherent to my position, vis a vis my enjoyment of trespassing in spaces. If I'm doing something illegal, who am I to say what other illegal activities can or cannot occur in those same spaces? I can't, admittedly, but I can express my opinion of what does occur nonetheless. I have yet to find a piece in a building that I felt respected the building or enhanced my enjoyment of the space.
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<Reply # 25 on 7/12/2006 4:02 PM >
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why is his behavior typical or something?
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Yeah, that is typical behavior for most people.
Most people don't believe in fucking up everything in sight. That's not exploring. Deuterium said nothing wrong. If your leaving behind more than footprints, your leaving too much.
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<Reply # 26 on 7/12/2006 4:21 PM >
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Yeah, that is typical behavior for most people.
Most people don't believe in fucking up everything in sight. That's not exploring. Deuterium said nothing wrong. If your leaving behind more than footprints, your leaving too much.
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yeah cuz all ive been saying all along is how i love to fuck up everything in sight......
wrong.
no i mean his preaching, i have no confusion over the urbex view on graffiti or his view on graffiti, i never said i WAS leaving behind more than my footprints, i was merely arguing that i have seen shit while exploring that wasnt all bad and didnt detract from the site itself, never said i was participating, but was mostly just saying that deuterium, in his manner of arguing, is a hypocrite. he broke down his views into all kinds of little subcategories of what is right and what isnt and then immediatly after was justifying his position based on the laws.
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<Reply # 27 on 7/12/2006 5:43 PM >
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LOOK, Real artists wouldn't spray their name on a wall at an abandoned asylum or school anyway; they'd go for the roof. AND the paint that is obnoxiously sprayed everywhere isn't worth "10s-to-100s" of dollars. Some asshole scribbling their name on a wall with the artistic ability of a third grader is very different from a Tag - Get it right or shutup.
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-Why the roof? For airplanes? "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain, Ace Tuffner. We are now beginning our final descent. For those of you on the left-hand side of the plane, if you look out the window, you may notice: graffiti." : )
-From my encounters with them, graf writers seem to carry around a backpack full of cans. Depending on the cost of the paint, the number of colors in the piece, and the size of the piece, I doubt that my cost assessment is unreasonable.
-Also, what isthe working definition of a "tag"? I have only heard it referred to in the context of "Dammit! S3SD tagged my garage door again!" I think that this is probably the most common usage.
If you find this to be incorrect, please bear in mind that jargon is frequently misappropriated from its culture of origin and used by general society in a way that may seem incorrect. As infuriating as this might be, it's not a very good reason to tell someone to chutup.
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<Reply # 28 on 7/12/2006 5:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by tzaone
yeah cuz all ive been saying all along is how i love to fuck up everything in sight......
wrong.
no i mean his preaching, i have no confusion over the urbex view on graffiti or his view on graffiti, i never said i WAS leaving behind more than my footprints, i was merely arguing that i have seen shit while exploring that wasnt all bad and didnt detract from the site itself, never said i was participating, but was mostly just saying that deuterium, in his manner of arguing, is a hypocrite. he broke down his views into all kinds of little subcategories of what is right and what isnt and then immediatly after was justifying his position based on the laws.
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If all you leave are footprints, why start mixing up what is sure to end up a napalm run?
Heavy Water is far from a hypocrite; he learns from his mistakes. municipal trespass is a minor infraction; a ticket. Vandalising, criminal mischief, etc are more serious misdemeanor infractions especially when trespassing.
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<Reply # 29 on 7/12/2006 7:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by tzaone
verygood captorbit and ducky.
deuterium is over here trying to impose every smallest facet of his specific belief towards urbex on all of us. listen, quit talking like your word is the most high. some of what you say maybe be true to the laws, but theres alot of fucked up laws in the world and if youre trying to make a claim to the truth and righteousness of your position in this arguement based on the laws, then youre just a hypocrite. you tresspass and take little trinkets as much as you may try to vehemently deny it, just like the rest of us. its okay, you dont need to quote my reply in a few different posts to show how completely ethically and legally wrong i am TO YOU. we understand, now its time for you to understand that YOURE GONNA HAVE VARYING OPINIONS ON THINGS FROM OTHER PEOPLE, NOT EVERYONE WILL SHARE YOUR EXACT PHILOSOPHY. k? thats all im sayin ease up on the preaching
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I had to break down into categories, because apparently some people equate small pencil mark to a graffitti vandalism that cost thousands to remove and the law is the backing that they're treated differently.
The part I bolded for you, that's not a substantial backing.
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<Reply # 30 on 7/13/2006 12:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by supaslush
-Why the roof? For airplanes? "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain, Ace Tuffner. We are now beginning our final descent. For those of you on the left-hand side of the plane, if you look out the window, you may notice: graffiti." : )
-From my encounters with them, graf writers seem to carry around a backpack full of cans. Depending on the cost of the paint, the number of colors in the piece, and the size of the piece, I doubt that my cost assessment is unreasonable.
-Also, what isthe working definition of a "tag"? I have only heard it referred to in the context of "Dammit! S3SD tagged my garage door again!" I think that this is probably the most common usage.
If you find this to be incorrect, please bear in mind that jargon is frequently misappropriated from its culture of origin and used by general society in a way that may seem incorrect. As infuriating as this might be, it's not a very good reason to tell someone to chutup.
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Haha. No, graff is meant to be seen, that is why it is done in the first place. Whether it is going to be announced over the loudspeaker of a low-flying plane or not (heh) is not my argument.
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<Reply # 31 on 7/13/2006 12:28 AM >
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because apparently some people equate small pencil mark to a graffitti |
If you’re referring to my most recent post, please let me be clear about something. I in no way meant to infer that making a pencil mark on a wall (i.e. signing a guest book) was in anyway on the same level as large scale “vandalism that cost thousands to remove” . They are not. I was simply pointing out that both acts are violation of the law. If apprehended in the act one would certainly hope, and expect more lenient treatment for one than the other, but there is no guarantee of it either.
exp. What kind of mood is the apprehending officer in? How zealously does the property owner wish to pursue charges? What about the prosecutor?, I don’t know that someone didn't “tag” his garage door last week, costing him hundreds and leaving a massive chip on his shoulder. Let’s not forget the judge, yes he/she is admittedly much more likely to just rap my knuckles or dismiss a case over a pencil scrawl as opposed to a mural the size of a school bus but, I don’t know that for sure.
It all goes back to my point about your ability to effectively calculate risk, an essential facet of UE in general.
My intent in my last post was to help steer the debate toward the issue of law as opposed to personal ethics.
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<Reply # 32 on 7/13/2006 9:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by CaptOrbit
My intent in my last post was to help steer the debate toward the issue of law as opposed to personal ethics.
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Just elaborating with factual stuff... For Arizona(happen to be the first to come up in search)
These small "so and so was here" type "tagging" despised by some street vandals who self proclaim to be "street artists" typically cost less than $250 to fix and these are misdemeanor (in AZ).
Most of graffitti that street vandals claim to be "work or art" are a varying degree of felony criminal damage.
The degree of charge is based on the cost to restore damaged area to pre-loss conditions by a professional contractor in the trade. "just paint it over" is often time not "pre-loss conditions". So even if the victim doesn't want to spend $2,500 to clean it up and choose to paint it over themselve, it would still be considered a $2,500 damage. Personally, I think this is a good thing.
taken from Phoenix AZ Police Dept page:
13-1602. Criminal damage; classification
* A. A person commits criminal damage by recklessly:
1. Defacing or damaging property of another person; or
2. Tampering with property of another person so as substantially to impair its function or value; or
3. Tampering with the property of a utility.
4. Parking any vehicle in such a manner as to deprive livestock of access to the only reasonably available water.
5. Drawing or inscribing a message, slogan, sign or symbol that is made on any public or private building, structure or surface, except the ground, and that is made without permission of the owner.
* B. Criminal damage is punished as follows:
1. Criminal damage is a class 4 felony if the person recklessly damages property of another in an amount of ten thousand dollars or more, or if the person recklessly causes impairment of the functioning of any utility.
2. Criminal damage is a class 5 felony if the person recklessly damages property of another in an amount of two thousand dollars or more but less than ten thousand dollars.
3. Criminal damage is a class 6 felony if the person recklessly damages property of another in an amount of more than two hundred fifty dollars but less than two thousand dollars.
4. In all other cases criminal damage is a class 2 misdemeanor.
In the event you are a victim of criminal damage, we suggest the following response:
1. Call the non emergency police number. In Phoenix, that number is 602-262-6151
2. Expect a report. In many cities you may be called and the report taken over the phone. If the report is taken in person, ask for photographs to be taken. If they are not, then do it yourself for your records. If the report is taken by phone, then photograph the damage and retain the photographs.
3. Obtain a written repair estimate. Retain a copy of your repair estimate and photographs. Mail the repair estimate and photographs to your local police department with your report number clearly written on the envelope. An example would be: Phoenix Police 620 W. Washington, Phoenix, Arizona 85003 Attn: criminal damage detective for report number 2003-0000001 This will ensure that it is routed to the assigned detective.
4. If your case has suspect information, usable evidence or witnesses that were not available to the reporting officer, then call you local police department and determine who your case detective is. Make sure you eventually get to talk to your detective in person so you can be sure to get what ever may be needed to keep the case moving. The key here is "NO DAMAGE ESTIMATE, NO CASE." Regardless of how many people are arrested. If you read the definition for criminal damage you understand why the damage estimate is so crucial. The dollar value on the damage determines the severity of the crime. So in order to charge a suspect with the appropriate charge, we need to know how much damage was done in documented fact.
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<Reply # 33 on 7/14/2006 2:10 AM >
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yeah im definately all about the murals...but in all my exploring ive only come across one place with some real decent stuff...
   
sorry i dont know how to make them get bigger....
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hey, i practically grew up in that factory. love those murals, they're surreal. found that guys practice area by the tracks of downtown. good to see others going there and enjoying it
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<Reply # 34 on 7/15/2006 6:44 PM >
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-Also, what isthe working definition of a "tag"? I have only heard it referred to in the context of "Dammit! S3SD tagged my garage door again!" I think that this is probably the most common usage.
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Tagging is usually Johnny destructo out armed with markers and paint pens trying to scribble his name/pseudonym on a wall/door/etc, in a manner that is pretty illegible.
Murals are atleast an attempt at something aesthetically appealing.
I consider graffiti to have two variations, the first being one that is just a scribble with no artistic attempt (tagging, giant weed pictures, Tammy -N- Jason 4eva type stuff,) and the other being someone that is making the attempt to make something beautiful to happen upon. Imagine walking into a building and seeing it falling apart and all decrepit. Then Imagine finding tons of beautiful murals by an unknown artist! What beauty and mystery!
To DjMalign, that's exactly how i felt when i went to that factory! I'm glad you enjoyed them also!
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<Reply # 35 on 7/16/2006 10:12 PM >
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Oh, and chutup.
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Why are you wearing that stupid ducky suit ?
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<Reply # 36 on 7/20/2006 1:28 AM >
| | | | Lets cite American laws and ideals and enforce them as the equivalent of good ethical policy.
Now.. you could get an education, and think objectively, but if that's too challenging you're probably too fucking stupid to grasp what "graffiti" even is in the first place.
NO. Physically dismantling something is not on par with spray painting it.
Smashing something with a bat is done with the intent to destroy it. When someone draws a penis on something with paint, its done with the intent to be an immature shithead. If someone puts some kind of thought and integrity into painting a picture or phrase onto a wall, that's done with the intent to create. Its not up to you (personally), anyone in the Urban Exploration Enforcement Society, the general public or law enforcement (until invoked) to decide if it is 'right' or 'wrong'. That's between the artist and property owner.
NO. Altering the appearance of something isn't automatically vandalism.
The definition of vandalism is to destroy something. If Trespasser X covers the side of a building with an involved piece of artwork, what's destroyed? Graffiti is not equal to vandalism. At all.
NO. You can't go into my house and 'tag' my walls. First, that's private property.
Artists are not interested in disturbing residences, small businesses, chruches, schools, graveyards, historic buildings, expensive stonework, other public art, etc. If "Urban Explorers" can invent their own completely bullshit code of ethics to convince themselves its ok to break the law, street artists can too.
Second, if you can't tell your ass from your elbow in a debate about graffiti, than you definitely aren't going to paint anything that belongs to me.
NO. Spray painting in abandoned buildings is not defacing private property.
Except in certain cases where a structure is owned by a family or restoration group, most exploration sites (factories, warehouses, old hospitals, tunnels, infrastructure, whatever) aren't owned by a single person. An abandoned building is its own entity. Seriously, you go into them and stand around taking pictures and talking about it online. Being in abandoned buildings is a hobby for you. HOW? Because they are a part of civilization with their own dynamic, and despite the fact that every piece of property legally has to have a name attached to it, that does not mean that every building has an "owner" which I need to consider when I am utilizing their abandoned property.
Ethics are subjective, and your conduct should be governed by respect... not a single view put forth by a website. The concepts of 'private property' and 'vandalism' are inventions in the first place. They exist to protect assets. So, if you're stuck living in Western Civilization, you can't ignore that. But it doesn't mean you can't see them as what they really are, and not live your life according to someone else's definitions. In Barcelona, Melbourne, parts of the UK, parts of Italy, parts of Germany, parts of Brazil, part of Argentina, and even in parts of the US... tasteful, intelligent graffiti is a non-issue. According to people living in major cities in Australia, illicit stencil graffiti used to reclaim areas which are commonly vandalized, is encouraged (off the record). Ancient civilizations put art all over everything. If it was space occupied by the general public, it was public space. We don't do that now, because it isn't economically advantageous, and regulating where you can communicate visually generated well over $800 billion dollars in 2005.
For a country that pretends to value individualism so much, you would think that expressing yourself visually in a community setting could be considered with a little less ignorance and assumption.
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<Reply # 37 on 7/20/2006 1:33 AM >
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Yeh, yeh, we all know your an artist, how about a different face? After the first dozen it gets old. Deuterium seems to appreciate it as much as I do. |
Stencils are created by opening holes in a flat surface that will form an image or phrase when pigment is applied to the surface of the object. They allow the user to quickly and easily apply and infinite number of nearly identical impressions.
Does that make sense?
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<Reply # 38 on 7/20/2006 2:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by ian_evil
NO. Physically dismantling something is not on par with spray painting it.
Smashing something with a bat is done with the intent to destroy it. When someone draws a penis on something with paint, its done with the intent to be an immature shithead. If someone puts some kind of thought and integrity into painting a picture or phrase onto a wall, that's done with the intent to create. Its not up to you (personally), anyone in the Urban Exploration Enforcement Society, the general public or law enforcement (until invoked) to decide if it is 'right' or 'wrong'. That's between the artist and property owner.
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Yes it is. Paint stripping/spray painting someone's car is comparable to breaking their window. When you apply paint on someone's property, you've done so with an intent of defacing the property without the permission of the owner and you're criminally negligent as you reasonably should have known that repairs cost money.
Civil charges are between the property owner and the vandals.
It is up to the state to bring up a charge and up to the people to decide the criminal charge. Whether the vandalism is "art" by your definition or a picture of a penis, if a proper removal cost $600, the law says it is a $600 criminal damage.
NO. Altering the appearance of something isn't automatically vandalism.
The definition of vandalism is to destroy something. If Trespasser X covers the side of a building with an involved piece of artwork, what's destroyed? Graffiti is not equal to vandalism. At all.
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Yes it is. Altering the apperance of something without the cosent of those with a legal claim to the property is automatically vandalism.
Business owners have to keep their place of business with appearance acceptable to the community to maintain a good relationship with fellow merchants and most business owners or their landlord do not approve of graffiti. If you alter an appearance without permission and restoration to pre-vandalized state incurs cost, it is by definition a criminal damage.
NO. You can't go into my house and 'tag' my walls. First, that's private property.
Artists are not interested in disturbing residences, small businesses, chruches, schools, graveyards, historic buildings, expensive stonework, other public art, etc. If "Urban Explorers" can invent their own completely bullshit code of ethics to convince themselves its ok to break the law, street artists can too.
Second, if you can't tell your ass from your elbow in a debate about graffiti, than you definitely aren't going to paint anything that belongs to me.
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No, YOU can't go tag anything that YOU do not own or have permission to.
Any property not owned by the government is private property in the United States. Wal-Mart store, the mall, Microsoft Corporation, etc are all private property. Not all property owned by government or public authority is publicly accessible and publicly accessible property doesn't mean you have the every right to do whatever you want to it.
Corporations have just as much right to tell you "no you're not going to paint anything in our property without our written permission" as you do telling otherse they're not going to paint anything in your house.
NO. Spray painting in abandoned buildings is not defacing private property.
Except in certain cases where a structure is owned by a family or restoration group, most exploration sites (factories, warehouses, old hospitals, tunnels, infrastructure, whatever) aren't owned by a single person. An abandoned building is its own entity. Seriously, you go into them and stand around taking pictures and talking about it online. Being in abandoned buildings is a hobby for you. HOW? Because they are a part of civilization with their own dynamic, and despite the fact that every piece of property legally has to have a name attached to it, that does not mean that every building has an "owner" which I need to consider when I am utilizing their abandoned property.
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YES. Spray painting in abandoned buildings without permission is defacing private property.
Do you understand the legal definition of private property? The people, and the court of law, go by the legal definition, not by ian_evil's personal opinion of what's considered an owner.
Ethics are subjective, and your conduct should be governed by respect... not a single view put forth by a website. The concepts of 'private property' and 'vandalism' are inventions in the first place. They exist to protect assets. So, if you're stuck living in Western Civilization, you can't ignore that. But it doesn't mean you can't see them as what they really are, and not live your life according to someone else's definitions. In Barcelona, Melbourne, parts of the UK, parts of Italy, parts of Germany, parts of Brazil, part of Argentina, and even in parts of the US... tasteful, intelligent graffiti is a non-issue. According to people living in major cities in Australia, illicit stencil graffiti used to reclaim areas which are commonly vandalized, is encouraged (off the record). Ancient civilizations put art all over everything. |
And in certain culture, cannibalism is encouraged in their ritual.
If it was space occupied by the general public, it was public space. We don't do that now, because it isn't economically advantageous, and regulating where you can communicate visually generated well over $800 billion dollars in 2005.
For a country that pretends to value individualism so much, you would think that expressing yourself visually in a community setting could be considered with a little less ignorance and assumption.
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Polluting the air with reckless release of solvent vapor, vandalizing property you have no legal claim at the expense of other is not expressing yourself visually. That's expressing yourself through crime.
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<Reply # 39 on 7/20/2006 3:24 AM >
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