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Parking
< on 7/4/2006 1:02 AM >
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Say you're doing som rural exploring and you stumble upon a farmhouse, either right off of a rural road or down a beaten path some... where do you park your car? Right up next to the house? At the front of the driveway? On the street? 2 miles away? And do you leave it unlocked? Etc., etc.

I ask because everytime I go I try and get as close to the house as possible for easy escape... and I always keep the doors locked (force of habit) and, obviously, bring my keys.

PS: Forgive me if this topic has been posted before--- I searched, I swear!

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 1 on 7/4/2006 2:21 AM >
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in my opinion for instances like that, the more obvious you are, the less likely people will notice you.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 2 on 7/4/2006 2:34 AM >
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I've done a couple things with parking.

Twice I've pulled right into the driveway of the place, other times I've parked a few clicks away and walked in.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 3 on 7/4/2006 3:04 AM >
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I’m sorry I just don’t think that you can make a hard rule on this, you just kind of have to feel things out. Do you think the place is being watched at all? Can you find out if the property is locally owned? (sometimes the county web site will have that kind of info.) Are there neighbors nearby? Do they look like the kind of people who would care? What are the cops like around the area, laid back or super uptight? Can you make a quicker get away on foot i.e. thru the woods, down a ravine. or can you get a car out of sight i.e. on a highway faster? Just do some good scouting and go with your gut feeling. Good luck!

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 4 on 7/4/2006 3:28 AM >
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Bear this in mind; trespass laws are generally stiffer for trespassing in homes. Shit can go wrong; if you can be traced back to your car if arrested, it may be impounded, and searched. More money, and maybe more charges. Your tag will tell who you are, or give them a good idea where to start looking.

If you park a mile away, and someone sees you, and reports it...

Avoid stepping on toes; be nice to locals if encountered.

Never B&E, bring weapons, or pry tools, etc.

Never vandalise, steal, or cause damage. This is for your protection too, it will escalate a municipal offense into a misdemeanor(s), even a felony(s). Cops are unlikely to prosecute you for just pic taking.

Never bring drugs (ANY kind) or alcohol.

Don't run for cops if spotted, and don't hide from them if they know (or will soon find out) your there. This really pisses them off!

Be honest with them if stopped.


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Re: Parking
<Reply # 5 on 7/4/2006 9:04 AM >
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I've found some cops are assholes, some are awesome guys, some are assholes pretending to be awesome guys to get you admit to something they can't prove. If you ask a lawyer, they'll tell you, don't say anything without a lawyer, never admit to being in/on property unless they catch you right in/on it, never admit to owning any tool you ditch and they find, and never admit to breaking, moving, bending, picking, or prying anything to get in. Also, don't exit a building unless they're coming in, they might just sit in their cars and then leave.

If the officer is really a nice guy, you'll piss him off, so you have to get a feel for the situation, but it sucks to go to jail for something you could have gotten away with, and have to listen to your lawyer tell you what a dumbass you were for telling them what you did.

A note for safety, never struggle or refuse to comply with an officer, and never startle an officer, you might just end up shot.

A bit off topic, but as for parking, park far enough away to avoid suspicion, but close enough to allow for a hasty getaway if one is required.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 6 on 7/4/2006 4:51 PM >
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Posted by optik
I've found some cops are assholes, some are awesome guys, some are assholes pretending to be awesome guys to get you admit to something they can't prove. If you ask a lawyer, they'll tell you, don't say anything without a lawyer, never admit to being in/on property unless they catch you right in/on it, never admit to owning any tool you ditch and they find, and never admit to breaking, moving, bending, picking, or prying anything to get in. Also, don't exit a building unless they're coming in, they might just sit in their cars and then leave.

If the officer is really a nice guy, you'll piss him off, so you have to get a feel for the situation, but it sucks to go to jail for something you could have gotten away with, and have to listen to your lawyer tell you what a dumbass you were for telling them what you did.

A note for safety, never struggle or refuse to comply with an officer, and never startle an officer, you might just end up shot.

A bit off topic, but as for parking, park far enough away to avoid suspicion, but close enough to allow for a hasty getaway if one is required.


Lawyers are all fine, and good. What's the retainer fee for a good criminal lawyer? Around a Grand. More money than an old house pics are worth.

If you don't comply when asked to do so(that's not coming out), you may easily face more charges. A ticket just became a misdemeanor, want to try for a felony charge?! Best thing to do with cops is if you know they're looking for you, calmly walk up to them. Hands in plain site.

Most times if your honest, and don't refuse to talk, the worst they will do is tell you not to come back.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 7 on 7/4/2006 7:08 PM >
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[irish voice] You see the rule of thumb is[/irish voice][fat white bull dike voice]Rule of thumb?!......[/fat white bull dike voice] Sorry couldnt resists a little boondock saint humor.

The only rules I have self imposed on this subject are easy.

1. ALWAYS LOCK YOUR VEHICLE.
-In this state a unlocked car can be searched with probable cause. That said probable cause can be made up on the spot. Also you don't want to have to deal with someone taking your vehicle, haveing someone going through it etc.

2. ALWAYS TIE YOUR KEY TO YOUR BODY ON A LONG STRING, AND HAVE A SPARE ON THE VEHICLE.
-Keys can easily get lost. If shit goes bad and you fall, slip loose your bag etc there goes your only transportation. That being said your car is your lifeline backup when your cellphone is lost or broken. It maybe hours instead of minutes. Tie your key off to a belt loop/something that will rip free or around your neck tucked away. That way you are less likely to get snagged and held up by your wrist or torso.

In the rare event you loose your key a spare will prevent you from haveing to look for hours, increasing your chances of getting caught. Not to mention if your in a industrial complex and have spent a good amount of time at night you may never find your key.

For 1.XX for a replacement key(unless you have a expensive ass car) and 3-7 for a magnetic key box it may save you several hours of trauma. Also make sure you wrap your key in plastic wrap to keep the moisture off.

3. PARK ONLY AS CLOSELY AS YOU FEEL SAFE.
-This is completely dependant on the situation, information, and location. I have walked 5 miles into a location and stay over night, just to turn around and drive right onto the property the next time. My lack of info and my urge not to get caught had us walk in. However since we were staying over night we had pretty much planned to walk in no matter what.

I have had to swim into a few locations, park my vehicle inside a few locations etc. It's all relative to your comfort.

The basic concept is park your car where you feel safest. If that means parking it at a all night wal-mart and walking a quarter mile, or driveing it in said building do so.

It's always been my personal belief I have a better chance of hideing from cops(and I have repeatedly done so with impunity)on foot, then get stuck in some wild car chase for no reason. It would be easier in court explaining that I was hideing in _______ area, then why I was putting lives in danger driving recklessly. Yes I have that much to loose if caught. No I wouldn't suggest running from the police in any situation, thats all up to the person, and how stupid they are.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 8 on 7/4/2006 8:20 PM >
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Most times if your honest, and don't refuse to talk, the worst they will do is tell you not to come back.


Unless they're out to 'GET THOSE DAMN ACTION-SQUADDERS!'

I never suggested to not comply, although I can see certain circumstances where it would be called for, so I can see well where mark is coming from. But, if they don't tell you they're looking for you, which I've personally never had them do, don't jump up and down and say "Here I am, here I am!!!!"

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 9 on 7/4/2006 8:58 PM >
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Posted by optik


Unless they're out to 'GET THOSE DAMN ACTION-SQUADDERS!'

I never suggested to not comply, although I can see certain circumstances where it would be called for, so I can see well where mark is coming from. But, if they don't tell you they're looking for you, which I've personally never had them do, don't jump up and down and say "Here I am, here I am!!!!"


If they verbally warn you your trespassing, and then root you out after warning you, they'll try to charge you with defiant trespass, and/or other infractions. You went from a warning to a misdemeanor. If they know your there hiding it can get expensive. There may be other circumstances that involving that area your unaware of, and the cops might call-in for back-up.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 10 on 7/4/2006 9:11 PM >
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Posted by blackhawk
There may be other circumstances that involving that area your unaware of, and the cops might call-in for back-up.


A long time ago when I was 15 I was chased by lots of cops, because I was out past dark, and in the woods.

What I didnt know is they had some womans window break out, and another report of gun fire. I heard the "gun fire" which ended up being fireworks.

They had come to the conclusion there were snipers in the woods shooting cars.

If it hadn't been for my age and a guy an hour after my friend was caught beating his wifes head in, I would have had to go the court system.

That is why I never say not to run, use good judgment.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 11 on 7/4/2006 9:24 PM >
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Posted by Mark


A long time ago when I was 15 I was chased by lots of cops, because I was out past dark, and in the woods.

What I didnt know is they had some womans window break out, and another report of gun fire. I heard the "gun fire" which ended up being fireworks.

They had come to the conclusion there were snipers in the woods shooting cars.

If it hadn't been for my age and a guy an hour after my friend was caught beating his wifes head in, I would have had to go the court system.

That is why I never say not to run, use good judgment.


Yeap, words of wisdom. In the real world shit happens.

Try this one out; someone sees you walking into the treeline with your tripod. They call the cops, and tell them a guy walked into the tree line with a rifle. Cops have no choice, but to error on the side of caution. Then can, and will call in as much back-up as they think they need. Dogs, and helicopter(s) too. Shit gets deep fast!

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 12 on 7/4/2006 9:49 PM >
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post by CaptOrbit
can you get a car out of sight i.e. on a highway faster?


Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying try to outrun the police in a car, but sometimes you get that gut feeling (or least I do) that I/we should leave NOW. Sometimes you get actual advanced warning from a scanner, or a car stops on the street and just sits in front of where you are and waits or sits then speeds off (not as common now with cell phones) or you see someone on foot checking out the location intently from a distance. Then is when you want to be able to blend into the traffic as soon as possible. or disappear on foot and circle back to your car later if you think the police have been called,and you are parked somewhere that they would have no reason to associate your car with whatever they are there investigating.
It has been my experience that most people have no idea what kind of car they're looking at and a lot of them can't even get the color right, especially at night. So in most cases at least in this area, if nobody has your plate number the police will probably tell whoever called them to call back if they see anything else and that will be the end of it.

You need to be able to judge if you can use your car for a faster exit BEFORE the police find you or your transportation.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 13 on 7/4/2006 9:55 PM >
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I had a K9 that I avoided, but no helicopters. About 2 dozen cops as well. Stupid shit happens to good people.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 14 on 7/4/2006 10:12 PM >
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You are right that most times people don't get the right car. However those of us with prior law enforcement experience of any kind can pin your car down at a glance, and probably get your plates with a second or two more.

Its a risk to have your vehicle exposed, even with the average person driveing by.

Then again if your in a SHF scenario you might end up haveing everyone pulled over. You might even be at a site thats been previously burned and they are looking for the culprits. Now any SUV/car driveing north on I-__ is liable to be stopped.

The problem is the info you get as a cop is never accurate so now you have to play guessing games, and alot of times were on more then were off. The only thing going for you is large amounts of vehicles in a area.

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 15 on 7/5/2006 4:28 AM >
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I agree with you it's just not worth the risk to leave your car anywhere
that it either draws attention to you, OR that it is obvious to anyone that you are connected to a particular vehicle. I should point out something about my advice though, like a lot of people I do probably over 95% of my explorations in densely packed urban areas crisscrossed with busy interstates and highways so all of my advice is geared toward this type of environment. My real advice to anyone who is just starting out is this; I know from years of experience where all the highway exchanges are, how to get everywhere on the back roads, and where the alleys go. If I don’t know I find out. I don’t mean try to elude the police if they spot you, sometimes you just would do better to leave an area quickly, and even if you have all the time in the world it's still just a good idea to know where you are. If you are not familiar with an area, look at a map and study until you can see it with your eyes closed, or barring that study it until you at least have reasonable idea of the area. My second piece of advice to anyone (and this is one I some times need to remind my self of) UE is not a lazy person’s activity, so if you're not sure, play it safe and start hiking.

On an off topic side note; anyone interested in seeing just how eclectic our highway system is, or if you would just like to the most comprehensive site on the net about our abandoned subway I highly recommend you check out http://www.cincinnati-transit.net/

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 16 on 7/5/2006 4:24 PM >
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Personally, I park at...
Stores, Schools, Churches, Cemetaries, or by the side of the ride in a nearby neighborhood. Anywhere a normal person would park that doesn't stick out and isn't a strong indication that someone is in XXXX, where nobody ever is.

Also, I have parked at a construction site driveway (on sunday, so the site was closed)(and by construction site, I mean a frontend loader and a field of dirt). The idea was that no one is crazy enough to park there, unless they belong there. It seems to have worked. You have legs, you can walk. So...

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 17 on 7/5/2006 6:43 PM >
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Well put!

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Re: Parking
<Reply # 18 on 7/5/2006 6:50 PM >
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If there are no people around, as usually in rural locations, I might just park the car as close as possible, like on the yard next to the building, in front of the gate and so on. Otherwise I tend to leave the car somewhere where it doesn't arouse attention or suspicion, such as on a parking lot, on the side of a smaller, little-used side road ("Yeah, I was just looking for berries and mushrooms/doing something normal nearby...") couple of km's away from the location.

Haven't been able to try to park inside the location yet...

The cars I use are always locked when I'm away. No reason to leave them open.

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