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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 400 on 10/11/2005 9:11 PM >
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I dunno.. I can see pepper spray, but I think alot of people carry that in a normal day (especially in cities) so why do they have to leave it at home or else they are not 'explorers'.. pretty much same goes for a knife (and I mean a folder not an 8" Ka-Bar combat knife).. I just don't understand why people get bent out of shape over something as simple as those.. However I can see how guns would be touchy, I don't carry one, but if someone is legally carrying it I don't see why they should get flak for it.. as long as they are not pullin it out on lil kids wandering the street and blasting everything that moves I don't see the problem.. I think 'most' responsible gun owners realise the power of a gun, and from what I have seen from gun owners they know that it has a time and place..
Thats all I've really been tryin to say.. and you'd think everyone is tryin to kill kittens or something by the uproar.. just stop thinking of a knife as a weapon and more like a flashlight, a trusted tool.. You could UE without a flashlight but yer gunna wish you had it when the lights go out

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 401 on 10/13/2005 8:03 AM >
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Posted by Pravus

I shouldn't feel the need to justify myself, not everyone that carrys a knife carrys it as a dedicated weapon.. Just something to think about


That's pretty much me also Pravus. I shouldn't feel i have to justify why i carry a knife, or a firearm when i go anywhere. My knife, is for the same reasons as Pravus. And as for my gun, i have stated my reasons in the last two posts, so if that is not a good enough, well, i won't waste anymore time on it.
Some people are looking for folks to use as cannon fodder in the next great UER flame war, and i will not allow them to use me as such. And there are others that feel the same way. I have stated my reasons why i carry a gun, Not while UEing), but if they don't want to accept that, then i have no use for them. The most dangerous thing i carry is a pocket knife while exploring. i also carry this;

flashlight (4 d-cell Maglight), and extra batteries
knife (not for slicing people)
hard hat
firstaid kit
pepper spray
a 3 segment collapsable baton (in case the pepper srpay doesn't work)
gloves
respirator
goggles
baseball cap (for obvious reasons)
clothing appropriate for the location, and an extra change
miners headlamp and battery
T.P.
M.R.E. (more than pone)
Last, but not least, digital camera
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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 402 on 10/13/2005 3:24 PM >
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Posted by greywolf45
i have stated my reasons in the last two posts, so if that is not a good enough, well, i won't waste anymore time on it.


Yea.. thats kinda the stance I took on it.. I gave my reasons and for whatever reasons people don't want to understand it so I just stoped bothering

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 403 on 10/16/2005 9:03 AM >
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Posted by Pravus


Yea.. thats kinda the stance I took on it.. I gave my reasons and for whatever reasons people don't want to understand it so I just stoped bothering

People are going to believe what-ever the hell they want to, and to hell with the truth. It's all political Pravus. I would have told certain persons what i really thought, but then i would have the entire administration on my ass. It's too much trouble, so i don't bother anymore.



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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 404 on 10/20/2005 8:22 PM >
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Hey what kind of flashlight is good AND CHEAP..... also is it a bad idea to wear a backlava to cover your face from cameras????

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 405 on 10/20/2005 8:51 PM >
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What I usually bring on a UE adventure is old military kit that is out dated (I don't have to return it because they don't use it anymore... YAY FOR CADPAT)

-Old school webbing (mil. olive drab, the canteen holder is the only thing i added to the webbing, you can tell it is from the us. view = from back)
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-Neoprene gloves (mil, olive drab)
-maglite C-cell
-minimag 2xAA
-Balaclava (mil, olive drab)
-Black combats w/ flat sole ----> custom tailored
-Black layers in my field pack on webbing
-cell phone
-radios
-Field Dressings x3 (cause you never know when you may get cut up)
-Camera w/ half decent video
-Gasmask----> I still use this one w/ army but it can handle it...
-Gerber multitool (the best there is)
-either american MRE (meal ready to eat/ Meal regergetated and evil) or CDN RATS (ration pack/ shitty tastes like rats) either way one will do you for a day (5000 calories each. expensive if you buy them in the flea market, so join the army and get them free like me!)
-Water for the self-heat packs in the ration packs (just dont drink the heater pack water = you die/ get sick)
-some sort of lighter, a zippo = best.


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Philosophy of The UrbEx Toolkit
<Reply # 406 on 10/21/2005 2:06 AM >
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I look around these forums and I see a lot of questions and discussion about what sort of gear one should carry, how much of it, what quality, and although I see a lot of good thinking and good gear, there’s something that I don’t see much of and I thought I’d address it.

We should always remember that an unavoidable part of UrbEx, and for some, part of the thrill, is that we are breaking “The Rules.” Sometimes, this means nothing more than defying the “Authorized Personnel Only” sign or slipping under the infamous Velvet Rope that keeps the cattle in check as effectively as a 50,000 volt electric fence.

Sometimes however, it means breaking the law. Some of the places most attractive to an UrbEx-er are the places most verboten. Abandoned warehouses, closed off areas in business and school buildings, etc.

It is in these areas that we face one of the greatest dangers an UrbEx-er faces. Getting caught

Consider this scenario:

You are exploring a long un-used and almost forgotten wing of an old hospital and unknowingly trigger an intrusion alarm when you entered. Suddenly, you are discovered by a wary cop (Security called the police immediately because they knew no one was supposed to be in that wing.) And caught in the beam of his flashlight like a deer in the headlights.

If you’re empty handed, you’re trespassing and if you manage to play dumb and innocent enough, the odds are good that you’ll get a stern lecture and then be released with a warning not to do this again.

If you are armed and carrying “Burglary Tools” you are no longer a Trespasser, you are now what the police refer to as an “Armed Intruder.” (Burglary tools are defined as any tools in your possession when apprehended during a burglary or “criminal trespass.”)

Even if you have a Concealed Weapons permit, you’re already breaking the law by trespassing and every State that has a “Shall Issue” permit system also has a stipulation stating if you are caught in the commission of a crime, your permit is immediately null and void. So your permit is suddenly not worth the paper its written on.

I don’t care how smooth you talk, you’re in serious trouble. You’re not looking at a minor trespassing charge anymore, you’re now facing “Armed Robbery” charges. There are few things cops and the courts like to hammer on as hard as they hammer on armed “Hot Prowl” burglars. Its like throwing meat in a tank full of pirhanas. You’re going to be arrested, booked, possibly allowed to post bond, and be given a trial date before you’re released. At best, with the loss of a few thousand dollars to a good lawyer, the loss of your weapon and any other tools you had in your possession at the time you were caught, you’ll get the charges dropped.

At worst, you’ll spend a few months in a place you really don’t want to be.

Now, let’s say for a moment that when the officer came in the wing, you heard him coming and had a minute or less to ditch anything you were carrying.
If you ditch your kit well enough, the cop will never spot it but then there’s a good chance you might never get the chance to recover it If you don’t ditch your kit really well, maybe the cop will spot it and maybe he won’t. The question is, what are you carrying?

You have a couple decisions to make.

Are you going to carry a high dollar set of the best tools available?

Below is a picture of some really good gear. Some of this I carry in my daily life, some of it I almost never carry. It just depends my schedule and anticipated needs.


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Re: Philosophy of The UrbEx Toolkit
<Reply # 407 on 10/21/2005 2:08 AM >
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Clockwise from left top...
1. Cased Pick set, 9 picks (ESP and Majestic) 7 wrenches (Assorted) $50
2. HPC Tubular pick (7 pin) $50 or so
3. Rytan Lock Picks & assorted wrenches $40
4. Inova X5 LED flashlight $30
5. Surefire 6Z high output flashlight $80
6. Rytan “Miniblue” Lock Picks for extra fine work $20
7. Seecamp .32 ACP pocket pistol $650
8. EZ-Lock Pick Gun $50
9. Leatherman Wave multi-tool $50

Some of these prices may be off by a few bucks but basically, we’re looking at about $1000 dollars worth of gear. I don’t know about all you rich folk, but it would hurt me like fire if I had to throw all that stuff down a vent shaft never to see it again

On the other hand, we can consider going “cheap” and packing our gear with an eye towards SMART rather than “Cool.”

In this picture, you see...
1. Two “Flea Market” screw drivers $1
2. Mini Mag Light $10
3. Kitchen knife with carboard cover $2.50
4. Minimalist Lock Pick Set $12.50

About $26 dollars.

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Re: Philosophy of The UrbEx Toolkit
<Reply # 408 on 10/21/2005 2:10 AM >
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Throw in a couple pair of “Flea Market” pliers and you’ll drive the price nearly to thirty bucks.

About the only item in the kit that you might not want to throw away is the Mini-Mag light, so you’re really only looking at ditching about twenty dollars worth of gear. If it’s dark in there, the explanation for why you have the light is pretty obvious and a cop or prosecutor would look pretty silly asking you “WHY DID YOU HAVE A FLASHLIGHT?” and your answer is “Uhm, because it was dark. ”

I won’t try to speak for you but if I’m faced with even the remote possibility of being caught trespassing, I can toss a twenty dollar bill down the drain and smile while I’m doing it. I won’t hesitate an instant. Carry your kit in a crumpled paper bag and you can toss it into any nearby pile of the debris that always seems to accumulate in the corner of UrbEx haunts and it will “disappear ”
If the cop does happen to spot the bag and ask you about it, you can shrug and say “Nope Never seen it before ” He may not believe you but the fact remains, when or if the case goes to court, he will have to tell the Judge that the items were not in your possession when he detained you and as long as you don’t screw up and confess to owning the kit, that single statement can make all the difference in whether you go home after court or go back to your cell.

An old reprobate once taught me: “Never break more than one law at a time and you’ll be alright, kid.” and damned if he wasn’t right. How many times do you read about somebody getting stopped for a routine traffic violation only to end up going away on a far more serious charge?

If you can bend the laws without breaking them, do so. If you simply must break them, try to break them as little as possible or at least in a place where nobody will notice. If you find, despite your best efforts, you’re about to get “noticed” then do everything you can to be breaking as few laws as possible when the light shines in your face and the unfriendly man with the badge and the gun starts telling you what to do and what not to do.

In summary, I’m not telling you exactly what gear you should carry or not carry and I’m not giving you a list. I really don’t care what you like to carry. That’s up to you. All I’m trying to show you is a different philosophy that may give you the advantage you need to stay out of serious trouble. After all, which is cooler? Going to jail because you got caught with a lot of “A-List” high-tech, status symbol gear and weapons, or being able to go UrbEx-ing without fear of prison or serious financial loss?

For those interested, here’s a closer shot of the econo-pick-kit broken down to its individual components
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Re: Philosophy of The UrbEx Toolkit
<Reply # 409 on 10/21/2005 2:12 AM >
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An extreme closeup of the double-ended pick profiles.

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And the other ends...


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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 410 on 10/23/2005 4:13 AM >
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Posted by Ninjalocksmurf
I look around these forums and I see a lot of questions and discussion about what sort of gear one should carry, how much of it, what quality, and although I see a lot of good thinking and good gear, there’s something that I don’t see much of and I thought I’d address it.


It depends on the site as to what i carry. They don't say much about a pocket knife, like the one i carry



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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 411 on 10/23/2005 2:01 PM >
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Posted by Ninjalocksmurf
3. Kitchen knife with carboard cover $2.50

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Why?

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 412 on 10/24/2005 6:35 PM >
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I bring snacks because after a hard day of UERing I get hungry.

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 413 on 10/26/2005 12:26 AM >
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The lock picks make sense to me. Obviously one wouldn't be caught dead without a set of picks, especially when exploring an old building.

What I don't get, though...is if you don't take crowbars or some kind of easily-identifiable (at least by a guard) tool, how do you get around boarded up windows and/or blocked-off passageways? Especially if you're trying to get into the building itself...

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 414 on 10/26/2005 8:10 PM >
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I would think having a kitchen knife on you would raise more questions then a pocket knife ever could.. and as far as lockpicks, pretty much unless your just in your car driving down the street they are pretty much illegal with intent to use them illegally (which is assumed and you have to prove your innocence) So i'd ditch them first sign of a problem and come back for'em if I could..

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 415 on 10/27/2005 2:05 AM >
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Posted by atomx


Why?

You didn't read the entire post, or you would have seen the reason why. I will not say anymore than that, because it does not seem to make a difference. It is just a tool Atomix, like a flashlight nothing more.

Have you ever camped out while at a location? If so then you would see the need for a knife. I don't see a problem with carrying one, so i fail to see why you do.


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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 416 on 10/28/2005 2:43 AM >
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Posted by H5N1
I bring snacks because after a hard day of UERing I get hungry.


Bring a Canadian Ration pack (for the americans) and an MRE for the Canadians, As every soldier knows; every country likes their neighbouring countries rations...

(And if you get an MRE get grilled chicken... omigawd it is the lord of rats. Americans, stay away from canadian breakfast rats, they suckass. Trust me.)

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 417 on 10/28/2005 6:32 AM >
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Greywolf I consider myself a very survival minded person and guns do have their place. I feel however that they have NO place while exploring. There are plenty of other things you can bring with you to help keep yourself safe instead of a gun i.e. flashlight, blunt object, friends... I have been mugged and robbed in my life and while I carry knives all the time (I'm a custom knife maker, sue me) I still do not feel the need for a firearm. I carry more gear than some here do, less than others, I just like trying to be prepared when I am out in the world. Most my exploring happens when I am out somewhere and I find something interesting. I like having what I need on me right then. I made a sort of survival keychain that could handle just about anything if that is all I've got. I have a good flashlight on there, several small multi tools, scaled down lockpicks that people never notice, a modified prybar and more. I am not saying to anyone not to be prepared just that a firearm is a very serious thing to carry and a lot of people might do something they could regret later. You cannot shoot someone with a knife from 15' away if they startle you. A security guard or cop wont shoot you outright if you are actually carrying a blade when they confront you because unless you are in arms reach they know you cannot hurt them from a distance. Perhaps I jumped the gun (forgive the pun) on that post about whomever it was but how I felt when I read about it was very strong. I hope if anyone carries a weapon like that they get training on how to NOT use in unless necessary and that they do not have the wrong reflexes.

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 418 on 10/30/2005 3:02 PM >
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For me it depends on where i'm going (as to most of you i assume), hell, sometimes i pack my whole car full of useless stuff, like for a 3 day ue trip (yhea, the distances here up nort is quite large) I pack lots of cloathes, a tent, one of theese "portable kitchens" (don't know what you americans call them, here they're known as Trangia), lots of tools, more camera equipment than anyone would ever need. It all goes down to one single philosophy, rather to much than too little.

Most of the times i just leave all that stuff in the car, when I go in to a location a prefer to bring as little as possible to be able to move around as easily as I can. I always keep my car within walking distance, i guess i see my car as my base camp.

Anyway, what i like to bring with me inside locations;

2 x Flashlight (one good and one smaller backup, I always manage to drop thoose things in water or deep holes =) )

Camera and flash

2 way radios

And thats about it, whenever i stumble upon something that requires tools, i'll just head back to the car, can be an ass sometimes but most of the times it's the most afficiant way.

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Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 419 on 10/30/2005 3:05 PM >
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and oh yhea, chocolate is like the best ue snack ever!

lets investigate. arrh arrh
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