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DrDeke
  
location:
Michigan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 340 on 6/10/2005 3:06 PM >
|  | | | | if u are doing places that may have loose asbestos or lots of pigeon shit a p100 respirator is a must. |
Meh. A respirator wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if I were going to habitually spend a lot of time in zones with airborne asbestos. However, my general plan is to simply not disturb the asbestos in the places I visit, and keep out of areas in which it has already been disturbed.
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Jester
 
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 341 on 6/10/2005 3:08 PM >
|  | | | Posted by DrDeke
Meh. A respirator wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if I were going to habitually spend a lot of time in zones with airborne asbestos. However, my general plan is to simply not disturb the asbestos in the places I visit, and keep out of areas in which it has already been disturbed.
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And your plan to avoid already disturbed asbestos works how ? You can't actually see it in the air you know...
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DrDeke
location:
Michigan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 342 on 6/10/2005 3:21 PM >
| | | | Yeah, but you can use common sense and keep an eye out for various signs of activity and disturbance.
If, in the case of Allied Paper's Mill C for instance, part of the building has recently been on fire, you might think about staying away (or using a respirator), as the asbestos in that area is likely to have been disturbed.
Likewise, if there are pieces or chunks of materials that might reasonably be assumed to be made from asbestos (like insulation) lying around on the floor and it seems likely that someone has been walking through there lately (or if it's all over the place and you won't be able to walk in the area without disturbing it yourself), then that also might indicate that it is a good place to stay away from.
On the other hand, if there are no likely asbestos-containing materials on the ground or in places other than where it belongs (usually as an insulator on pipes), and there are no signs that people have recently been there disturbing the asbestos on purpose, then it seems less likely that there is a bunch of asbestos floating around in the air.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 343 on 6/10/2005 3:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by DrDeke
...then it seems less likely that there is a bunch of asbestos floating around in the air.
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As great a logic as that is, it doesn't mean much really. There can be asbestos
on the floor you're walking on while exploring with no visible signs it's there.
Unless this is your method...
"Atmospheric monitoring for asbestos fibres can be carried out to determine ambient fibre levels in asbestos containing buildings or after removal of the asbestos to certify that the building is now clear. This involves sampling the atmosphere of the environment with a pump and filter and fibre counting using phase contrast microscopy."
then taking a respirator is a wise precaution.
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'tom
location:
Antwerp
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 344 on 6/10/2005 4:20 PM >
| | | | Someone in my family worked for four years in a factory where they produced asbestos products to be used in buildings etc.
She's 77 years old now and still alive.
Now I don't want by no means tell you asbestos isn't harmful and it's a good thing it was removed from old buildings still in use today and it can give you cancer.. but I don't think that most of us do that much visiting in places where most of the air is made up from asbestos particles.
However, on the contrary, I do suggest wearing a P100 mask, as it protects you from asbestos particles (if there are any; and better prevent than to cure) but also from several other chemicals too. Abandoned places are often used by malicious business men who just dump their toxic and chemical waste there and you have no idea what you're up to or dealing with.
When working for a cleaning company (industrial) we once had to remove "barrels filled with oil" from a ship, after one day on the job about 80% of the workers were ill. Closer inspection showed that most of the barrels were filled with some nasty chemicals so we had to wear protective suits and masks from then on (instead of just a coverall).
To end this story.. always bring a mask, protective clothes, etc. as you don't know in advance what's really down/in there. Better safe than sorry.
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Kirby
location:
St. John's, Newfoundland
Gender: Male
Ghost
| | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 345 on 6/10/2005 4:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by DrDeke
Yeah, but you can use common sense and keep an eye out for various signs of activity and disturbance.
If, in the case of Allied Paper's Mill C for instance, part of the building has recently been on fire, you might think about staying away (or using a respirator), as the asbestos in that area is likely to have been disturbed.
Likewise, if there are pieces or chunks of materials that might reasonably be assumed to be made from asbestos (like insulation) lying around on the floor and it seems likely that someone has been walking through there lately (or if it's all over the place and you won't be able to walk in the area without disturbing it yourself), then that also might indicate that it is a good place to stay away from.
On the other hand, if there are no likely asbestos-containing materials on the ground or in places other than where it belongs (usually as an insulator on pipes), and there are no signs that people have recently been there disturbing the asbestos on purpose, then it seems less likely that there is a bunch of asbestos floating around in the air.
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thats so stupid. what if u were a cop and u get a call that someone got a letter full of a mystery white powder, probably anthrax. so you walk in unprotected and your fine because "its there on the table in a pile. im not disturbing it, so theres none in the air so i cant breathe it in". several days later u get a fever and sore throat. your chest hurts, you have a headache. its hard to breathe and you cant carry out simple commands and your eyes and limbs begin to twitch. dispite antibiotics you die.
why take a stupid risk? buy a respirator and wear it
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 346 on 6/10/2005 4:50 PM >
| | | | The arguement that some people can be around asbestos for years and not get cancer is as valid as how some smokers can smoke till they're 95 and not get cancer. For whatever reason, different people have different tolerances to such things and you've really got no way to know which camp you're going to be in. In my opinion, when you're talking about your life, it's a no brainer to take the precautions and wear a respirator.
And considering the years asbestos was used for numerous construction materials, it's quite commonly found in a great number of places we as urban explorers, venture into...
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DrDeke
location:
Michigan
Gender: Male
| | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 347 on 6/10/2005 4:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
As great a logic as that is, it doesn't mean much really. |
I disagree.
I agree that wearing a respirator is a good idea. It is one of the best ways, but it is not the only way to reduce the amount of asbestos that one inhales.
Although my "logic" would certainly not prevent all inhalation of asbestos, I do believe that following the steps I outlined is likely to result in the inhalation of less asbestos than not following them. Since the risk of asbestos-related disease increases with the total amount of asbestos one has inhaled, it is a good idea to reduce one's asbestos inhalation by any means available.
Anyway, I agree that it is a good idea to use a respirator, but the fact that somebody does not use one does not seem to me like a good reason not to try to avoid asbestos exposure by other means.
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wooble
location:
Surrey, UK
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 348 on 6/10/2005 5:27 PM >
| | | | The odds of asbestos-related disease may statistically increase with exposure, but it's worth noting that as well as individuals who worked with asbestos for most of their lifetime and suffered no ill effects, there are examples of people suffering asbestos-related illness after just one limited exposure. I'm certainly guilty of not wearing my respirator nearly enough, but that's me being an idiot. At the very least, I wear a respirator in enclosed areas like service tunnels and sealed buildings where there's not enough air movement to keep the air fairly clear.
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Servo
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<Reply # 349 on 6/10/2005 8:19 PM >
| | | | Jeez, we've been over this 100 times... you guys do know there are reasons other than asbestos to use a respirator?
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atomx
location:
Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 350 on 6/10/2005 8:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Jeez, we've been over this 100 times... you guys do know there are reasons other than asbestos to use a respirator?
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Exactly. The main reason we bought one originally, was for my wifes allergy to cinamon, the P100 was tho only filter that could do it.
Aside from Asbestos and Pigon crap you can save yourself from mold and much more crap in the air.
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assassin2015
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 351 on 6/11/2005 3:18 AM >
| | | | My suggestion....use an ADVANTAGE 1000 CBA/RCA GAS MASK....take that advice from someone who works in the army and is qualified in HAZMAT...or...if you have a low budget, go to the local army surplus store and get a military gas mask.....with a production date within the past ten years...reasonably new in other-words and order a CBRN Canister for it...yah all the ads will say it only fit to a millenium gas mask, not true....it fits on 99% of Professional masks, (that, and if you're ever in a tear gas or smoke situation the mask comes in handy!)
assassin 2015
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PS You also might want to get some skin protectant and a good pair of kevlar gloves while you are at it if you want to be extra safe
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assassin2015
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 352 on 6/11/2005 3:34 AM >
| | | | I forgot to mention that the ADVANTAGE 1000 is a p100...top of the line
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SOME EXTRA INFO
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Know the site before you go into it...many former medical,metals, and anything involving industrial chemicals develope more crap and irritants faster than the local park toilets!!! Be prepared and be smart people, there was an incident at an abandoned military warehouse near Ft. Knox involving some unknown UE's that ended opening up a mixture of ammonia and chlorine that someone left behind....bad joke,(that or they mixed it themselves, never know)....I hope we all know what those chemicals create when combined...its incidents like that, that make you want to be extra prepared...i'm not saying that you should go out there like a pack mule, buy the best etc, etc...i'm just saying that common sense should prevail and come first....where am i going...what am i doing...what are the hazards... and most important of all
Am i prepared for this?
once again...not to sound like a drill sergeant but THINK PEOPLE!!!!!THINK!!!!
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fifi25
location:
Upton/Poole/Bournemouth - Dorset
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 353 on 6/21/2005 1:30 PM >
| | | | where can i get a Respirator with P-100 Asbestos filters?
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atomx
location:
Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 354 on 6/21/2005 2:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by fifi25
where can i get a Respirator with P-100 Asbestos filters?
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Where are you?
If in Canada then Canadian Tire:
http://www.canadia...ry&fromSearch=true
Of if in the U.S.A. then Home Depot:
Sorry can't find a link on their site.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook |
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fifi25
location:
Upton/Poole/Bournemouth - Dorset
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 355 on 6/21/2005 4:06 PM >
| | | | Im in the UK, guess i'll have look around.
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bikepunk
location:
Vancouver
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 356 on 6/22/2005 2:20 AM >
| | | | The cheapest one I found was at Home Depot (about 45$). Useless Rona only had the N95's, and HH was too expensive.
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wastedutopia
location:
Detroit, MI
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 357 on 6/22/2005 7:05 AM >
| | | | I have yet to use about %40 of the things I take with me, but I'll be glad to have them if I ever need them.
In a small messenger bag that really irritates my shoulders:
-extra batteries
-wad of tissue
-sharpie
-eye drops
-mini-mag
-chap stick
-hand sanitizer
-allergy pills
-excedrin
-handful of first-aid supplies
-small thing of sunblock (I burn really quickly, especially on those rooftops)
Camera pouch (attached to my belt):
-extra memory cards
-crappy digital camera
-$5-$10
-drivers license
-extra camera batteries
Tripod has it's own nifty little backpack holder thing.
I also have a 4D mag with a belt holder thing and a 1 liter nalgene attached to the opposite side on my belt of my camera pouch.
I can't really see taking too much cash with you. If I'm going to be robbed by some crazed crackhead I'd rather only lose a few dollars. I keep my purse with all of my credit/atm cards and things in the trunk of the car, and I can't really see anything happening inside of a location that would require a large amount of cash. It would be when you get back to your car that you realize it doesn't start, haha.
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HDCase
location:
Catskills
Gender: Male
| | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 358 on 6/22/2005 8:29 AM >
| | | | I used to take that much stuff with me, but at this point I am willing to chance it.. I only take my Mag, a bandanna, batteries, cell, and a breath mask for asbestos(when it's fitting)
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TaP
location:
Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Equipment: What to bring
<Reply # 359 on 6/29/2005 12:12 AM >
| | | | I bring alot of things:
different sized Crowbars
cutting torch
plasma torch
propane torch
extra propane bottles
zippo lighter
extra lighter
bic disposable lighter
molotov cocktails (you knever know when you run into the "enemy")
contact lenses that are video cameras (one of a kind military issue)
Night vision and laser gun headset
screwdrivers ,dremel
anything that goes boom!
Firecrackers(for distraction purposes when the enemy is close to you)
camoflage and cadpat suits
green face cream
about 14 military tarps (if youre lost and have to camp out)
the thing swat uses to break down doors
spraypaint cans and other vandalising items (to let people know that youve been there)
and alot of matches, gas and fuel to start a fire (if lost in the wood)
25c (if im lost and have to call someone)
A military issue hummer with spiked wheels and top machinegun mount, inside theres a laptop for uer consultation suring missins and infiltration, a huge mega 1000000 candle light light mounted on top (next to machine gun of course).
oh yeha and ninja stars and nunchucks
EDIT:does anyone really need to bring anything beside a camera, flashlight , cellphone and mask? i think not.
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