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Keystone Ordnance
< on 6/25/2006 7:12 PM >
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Has anyone ever visited KeyStone Ordnance Works in Crawford County, PA? I have never seen any traffic about it whatsoever anywhere. You cannot even find it in google.
Fascinating place to visit. All of the ammonuim nitrate that went into the conventional explosives in the 1st atomic bombs came from this factory. It operated from 1917-1967 and was a SuperFund location until recently.
I obtained permission to be on all of the property adjoining and surrounding it - which is owned by DOD and the county.
The land that contains the buildings and the old factory itself is owned by a (the) prominent local business man who will not even let the press onsite.
Just wondering if anyone has ever been on the ground there.
[last edit 6/26/2006 5:08 PM by DevilC - edited 2 times]

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 1 on 6/28/2006 1:12 AM >
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Ammonium nitrate was never used in any of the nuke's implosion explosives. It's blast wave propagates too slowly. It's energy yield is far less per pound, and volume then other plastic explosives available at that time. It was used as a "booster" for conventional bombs to cheaply increase their yield.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 2 on 6/28/2006 2:03 AM >
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Ahh, more military base sites. Becareful going there, as with any old military base. Understand several things:

1. Military bases are not anything like your usual civilian installation. There are many substances, practices, and products in these old bases unfamiliar to a civilan. The military does not follow the same code for work/manufacturing as the regular world does.

2. They maybe still patroled. Either by an ground unit, K-9 Navy/Marines, or by vehilcle or surrvalence unseen. Most old bases are bugged. The reason for this is to avoid any anarchists or terrorists turning it back into a fighting machine.

3. If caught, I would not give ANYTHING to be you. Have you heard of: The Brig? Not a good place, even for military fuck offs who go there, but they are tougher than any civie, and don't like them. Mentality thing.

If caught on ground of a military base with a patrol, you could be shot on sight. Or just arrested, by a soldier or MP. You NEVER know what the military will do with old bases. I have seen some old bases abandoned for decades, still bugged with camera and audio bugs, and one day renovated and made to operate again. So don't think you will never see any action there. If you think there is activity, GET OUT OF THERE, FAST.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 3 on 6/28/2006 11:00 AM >
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Posted by DevilC
"All of the ammonuim nitrate that went into the conventional explosives in the 1st atomic bombs came from this factory.
It operated from 1917-1967 and was a SuperFund location until recently."

Yes, I misspoke, 1000 pardons? Thank you for the input.

1 Not AN production BUT a refining plant for the elements of TNT and RDX (They nitrated toluene here for one). That is why there was so much soil / groundwater contamination.

2 The first employed Atomic weapon was a "Gun-Type" and formed its supercritical mass of Uranium-235 by firing a u235 projectile at a u235 target inside a modified artillery barrel. Simple Cordite was the firing agent. Prior to Hiroshima none of these devices had ever actually been tested because they were deemed to be so UNreliable. The bomb("The Gadget" or "Jumbo") as tested in the desert were not of this type, they used Plutonium compressed by more than 5 tons of a TNT/RDX/PETN hybrid. The Nagasaki bomb was an "implosion" type device and used Plutonium since U235 was in very short supply @ the time.

3 Since "Jumbo" (the device that was supposed to have been detonated at the Trinity test -the first ever A Bomb exploded) was assembled in Pittsburgh and taken West by rail. . . . all of the nitrated explosives (TNT/RDX/PETN) came from Keystone and Ravenna. Ultimately Jumbo was not detonated, "The Gadget" was detonated BUT the shaped explosives still came from Keystone/Ravenna.

4 I have been in the military for 11 years and I am a comissioned officer. I know how all of this works. With extremely rare exceptions I have always been able to get permission and walk right in the front door.

5 If you read the post you would see that I obtained permission from DOD/GAO and the county, who own the land. The factory buildings are privately owned by some yokel and that is the hang-up. The dangers/pollution and UXO have all been mitigated - it's safe.

6 Due to silly regulation, we in the military are actually MORE environmentally friendly, in most aspects, than the civilian world. Things have changed.

7 Again - just wondering if anyone had any insight.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 4 on 6/28/2006 3:41 PM >
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The first atomic bomb was "The Gadget", it was an implosion type atomic bomb. It was tested in the US. The first bomb used in a military operation was "Little Boy", it was a barrel type atomic bomb that used Cordite (smokeless gunpowder) initiate nuclear fission. Cordite is a low explosive, and has no ammonium nitrate in it. Little Boy's gun type system was unsafe, and never used again in favor of the more safe implosion type bomb design.

As for the base; don't know, but I'll go along with Mongoose in it's best not to go there.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 5 on 6/29/2006 10:21 AM >
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Agreed, Hawk. When UEing these days, you have to pick your places carefully, and use your head. Some places are really cool and worth a risk exploring, etc. However, I don't care if you are also a vet. too, military bases are to me just to be avoided. Period. That is probably the only place you would never find me messing around.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 6 on 8/19/2006 1:08 AM >
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So to revisit the initial question:
Has anyone ever visited Keystone Ordnance Works in PA?

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 7 on 8/22/2006 2:39 PM >
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I have done a solid recon of the place. It is very big, and has VERY VERY limited access via conventional roads. There are several well-used openings in the surrounding fence. I think the local kids may be drinking beer in there, or hunting. Be prepared for a hike if you enter thru one of the many openings in the fence, because like I said.. the place is big!

The place could not look more abandoned from the outside. There are buildings outside of the fence that can be accessed, and towers that can be climbed.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 8 on 8/22/2006 4:57 PM >
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I too recon'd a lot of it. It's a very cool location. . . .
The Corps of Engineers crew said I could come with while they were doing abatement, but the timing never worked out.
I also got permission to be on a big chunk of the property.
The problem is that the cool buildings - the nitrating line - lie on private property.
The owner has threatened to shoot trespassers on site.
I climbed that tower in January. . . . damn that was stupid.
Do you know antichrist? She has been all over that place and UE's in the Meadville area as well.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 9 on 8/22/2006 8:02 PM >
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Posted by DevilC
I too recon'd a lot of it. It's a very cool location. . . .
The Corps of Engineers crew said I could come with while they were doing abatement, but the timing never worked out.
I also got permission to be on a big chunk of the property.
The problem is that the cool buildings - the nitrating line - lie on private property.
The owner has threatened to shoot trespassers on site.
I climbed that tower in January. . . . damn that was stupid.
Do you know antichrist? She has been all over that place and UE's in the Meadville area as well.


Do you mean the storage igloos? I can see them on the aeriel pics, and from what I read they are still intact and free from explosives. The university uses/used some of the building on site. Is there a second site in that area too? Does look cool, and big.

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 10 on 8/22/2006 8:07 PM >
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It is several sites now.
Part is owned by the Federal Govt and houses an Army Reserve unit. Part is owned by the county and is an economic development zone, part (with the buildings) is private, part is a glass factory.

People LIVE in the storage bunkers to the south.
A few are used by the township to store plows and whatnot.
I shot an interesting sequence of pics detailing some of the people who did not mind chatting about living in an ammo bunker. ["Warm in the winter, cool in the summer! Boy this is good living!"]

The University?
Across the street is KTA which is used by the reserves, PAANG, and ROTC for training, mainly its rifle and pistol ranges.

I spent many a weekend sleeping in the mud there. . . .

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 11 on 8/22/2006 8:17 PM >
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Posted by DevilC
It is several sites now.
Part is owned by the Federal Govt and houses an Army Reserve unit. Part is owned by the county and is an economic development zone, part (with the buildings) is private, part is a glass factory.

People LIVE in the storage bunkers to the south.
A few are used by the township to store plows and whatnot.
I shot an interesting sequence of pics detailing some of the people who did not mind chatting about living in an ammo bunker. ["Warm in the winter, cool in the summer! Boy this is good living!"]

The University?
Across the street is KTA which is used by the reserves, PAANG, and ROTC for training, mainly its rifle and pistol ranges.

I spent many a weekend sleeping in the mud there. . . .


How big are those bunkers?! I love to see a pic if you got one. This is one of the links I found on the web: http://freepages.g...eordwksnewsno3.htm

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Re: Keystone Ordnance
<Reply # 12 on 8/23/2006 3:29 AM >
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That was an interesting article. I did not realize that the area to the south was associated with the KOW, or that the place covers 22 square miles!

I was looking primarily at the TNT area that is all fenced in.... I may take a look at those storage bunkers. They look like they are accessible, especially if people are living in them! Lets see your pictures!

BTW, I've spent a few weekends at that firing range myself, DevilC!

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