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tag_cryptic
 
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|  | | | while ueing, does anyone carry a sidearm? we can talk about this here, right?
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Mickael
      
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<Reply # 1 on 5/26/2006 5:22 AM >
|  | | | Posted by tag_cryptic
while ueing, does anyone carry a sidearm? we can talk about this here, right?
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I don't know for others, but I would definitively not explore with someone carrying a firearm.
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rainman8889
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<Reply # 2 on 5/26/2006 5:23 AM >
| | | | Personally, I don't carry them. No license and possessing any firearms while UEing will cause me more grief than what they are worth. And as Mickael put it, I won't UE with anyone carrying a firearm.
Common sense and a Maglite are my preferred methods of self defense.
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<Reply # 3 on 5/26/2006 5:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
Common sense and a Maglite are my preferred methods of self defense.
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David E
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<Reply # 4 on 5/26/2006 5:54 AM >
| | | | When I explored in the Santa Cruz mountains (by myself), I carried a rifle because there is cougar and boars up there. Cell phone reception is flighty and if I had met up with a cougar, the rifle would have saved my life.
In an urban situation, whether alone or in a group, never!
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Pravus
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<Reply # 5 on 5/26/2006 10:30 AM >
| | | | Being that I am in Illinois and damn close to Chicago concealed carry isn't even remotely an option.. I don't carry a firearm, nor does anyone I normally explore with, granted if it were perfectly legal to carry a firearm and wouldn't really arise suspicion I would bet that the people I explore with would likely add a firearm to the things they grab on the way out the door.. I've heard people on here say they carry firearms, mostly as David said they were in the middle of nowhere and not in an urban setting.. Out of my friends I don't think any of us would see the point in bringin a firearm with us while exploring, especially within an urban setting..
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tick
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Abingdon, VA
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<Reply # 6 on 5/26/2006 11:38 AM >
| | | | I legally carry a concealed handgun all day every day anyways... but, for most serious UE the gun stays at home (or in the truck).
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Mark
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 7 on 5/26/2006 12:08 PM >
| | | | Contrary to several peoples posts here, several people on this forum, do carry concealed sidearms while exploring.
I found that out at the first OPEX, while talking to several people. Needless to say I have been the unofficial poster boy due to so many people complaining, they they would NEVER, and wouldn't explore with anyone.
I started going to more sites, armed, and even taking photos in places with magazines. There are probably 10-12 photos of a magazine. Sometimes I didn't even bring a gun, but I brought a loaded magazine just for the photo.
1. I don't bring a sidearm to protect myself from the homeless.
2. I do bring a sidearm for the trip into these buildings, as they arent always in the best part of town.
3. Many noted US explorers on this website, have or do carry a sidearm.
4. I have a conceal carry licence, and have had a good bit of training not to pull my weapon and shoot it just because I am scared or shadows.
5. The biggest threat I worry about are animals, and people off site.
You can cry up and down, your wits and a mag lite will save you. Fine if you feel your in a movie, and have the cool and education of Mcguyver, maybe a stunt double thats great.
To many people think that haveing a pistol means they will whip it out and shoot up the place and ask questions later. Hate to break it to you, but several of the people in the South Carolina exploration group have or do carry.
If you look at my little photo you will see me photo shopped into a abandonment with a gun.
Heres a individual who has never shot anyone, and I have known him to carry two pistols, much like the cop back up weapons. I think he would carry a tank around if he could find it.
In all seriousness, yes many do. If you don't like it no one really cares, because we will do it anyways. Legality wise, its more dangerous for most of us to walk into a bar with a gun then tresspass with one. My state the owner has to tell you not to have one. Prior to that point your just fine. If you wont explore with someone who has carried, that is your loss not ours.
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Mark
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 8 on 5/26/2006 12:21 PM >
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That whole thread is about weapons in general, not about the ones that go boom. Although they were talked about, most Urban Explorers on this site are fearful of what they dont understand, have false ideas about people who carry guns, and believe in the mighty mag-lite cell phone combo.
It is preference and i wont condemn a mag-lite argument, but very few on here have trained to disarm a knife wielding attacker.
Also being that you have a better chance of being cut by a knife then shot as per FBI facts, well you can make your own conclusion.
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dwagon
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Fort Worth Texas
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<Reply # 9 on 5/26/2006 12:33 PM >
| | | | UGHM what happened to the guy all slashed up?
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Explorer H
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I just want some slack.
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<Reply # 10 on 5/26/2006 12:40 PM >
| | | | Right on Mark. People have stated they would never be around someone who carries a sidearm. My question is what are you afraid of? If that person is legally packing heat, what's the issue? Fucking liberal mindsets can get you killed much faster than someone who exercises their right to own, and carry a concealed firearm. It's the folks that obtain a gun illegally that you should be worried about. I love it when people say they would never carry, or even believe in guns, and then you find them dead in an alley after being mugged and raped. I'll never understand why some people hold the bad-guys in a higher regard by not protecting themselves.
But, I suppose I am preaching to the choir here. I exercise my rights, I carry legally. I also take the time to train myself. I just don't advertise it when around others, it's none of their business.
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Axle
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Milton, ON
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<Reply # 11 on 5/26/2006 2:02 PM >
| | | | I don't carry a gun when I go exploring because
a - don't have a gun
b - don't have a licence
c - it's illegal to carry a concealed firearm in canada
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Jonsered
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Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 12 on 5/26/2006 2:40 PM >
| | | | I carry a pistol in my life day to day because I have a concealed carry permit, and I tend to transport expensive and highly desirable items during the course of business. As David E stated, when I am in a very rural area, I often carry for protection from animals. My area of New Mexico has the highest concentration of mountain lions in North America. However, when I'm exploring in town I don't see the need to pack heat. Just seems a little paranoid. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily refuse to explore with someone just because they were carrying. Depends on the individual.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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MindHacker
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Suburbs of DC
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<Reply # 13 on 5/26/2006 3:52 PM >
| | | | | I tend to transport expensive and highly desirable items during the course of business. |
Drugrunner? Pimp? Tell us more!
If I had a permit I would, so I just carry a butterfly (less illegal), as I do every day (except at work where we now have metal detectors and xray machines).
It's useful, protective, and fun.
The one exception is if I'm ue-ing a high capture-risk / low thug-risk location. As always, think and make a judgement call.
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Mutt
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Bunbury, Western Australia
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<Reply # 14 on 5/26/2006 4:22 PM >
| | | | Guns seem to be an American thing.
Most Canadians chuckle at the American's need to feel secure with a gun. Yes, I have explored sites in the American underbelly areas of NYC, Detroit, Chicago and LA and have never ran into a problem that I couldnt use my wits to over come. Yes I've been in company with crack dealers and gang bangers in their stash houses and such, but if you have a brain and know how to use it you can explore these places without too much problem. Talk to the gang bangers of the neighborhood first before you go storming into that sweet location in their "hood" quite often they are accommodating, if they arent move on to somewhere else. It helps to bring along a small dollar store 4X6 album of your photo work to show them what type of pictures you take and minimal equipment incase they want to keep it.
You see, if you dont show yourself to be a threat, you wont be one.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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<Reply # 15 on 5/26/2006 4:41 PM >
| | | | Holy fucking shit what the fuck happened to that guy who was all slashed up. Those pictures make me weak in the knees. That shit was crazy!
I am not a gun owner (yet) but I am a big supporter of second amendment rights. I can tell you this: gun people love guns, and a fair number of them can and do carry everywhere they possibly can and some places they can't. 100% guarantee that some dudes carry while exploring. Absolutely no question about it whatsoever.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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<Reply # 16 on 5/26/2006 4:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mutt
You see, if you dont show yourself to be a threat, you wont be one.
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Innocent people DO get caught up in violence in high crime areas. I'm not arguing that the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, but I think it's ridiculous to put people down who want to carry responsibly. There are so many people out there who carry...you don't even know. I personally find absolutely nothing wrong with someone wanting to carry for that .1% of the time that it might save their life, because the other 99.9% of the time you probably wouldn't even know they were carrying.
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Jonsered
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Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 17 on 5/26/2006 4:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
because the other 99.9% of the time you probably wouldn't even know they were carrying.
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That's the whole point of concealed carry. An overt threat will cause more problems than it will solve. Its an absolute last resort item.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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Mutt
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<Reply # 18 on 5/26/2006 4:52 PM >
| | | | I wasnt putting down those that feel they need to carry a gun. Its just as a non-American (/me is uk/cdn) we just dont think that way.
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Jonsered
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Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 19 on 5/26/2006 4:58 PM >
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I wasnt putting down those that feel they need to carry a gun. Its just as a non-American (/me is uk/cdn) we just dont think that way.
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I'm not harassing you Mutt. Even as a gun owner, I'm sometimes amused by when and where people feel a need to carry. I'm legal to carry at McDonald's, but why the hell would I?
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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