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Belle location: texas Gender: Female \|	It's all in the timeing < on 5/15/2006 1:00 AM >

	I've done my fair bit of exploring but usually in abandoned houses in the middle of nowhere. I've been scouting in a more urban setting as of late to work my way up. There is a town near by with a fair number of old and abandoned buildings. I've been researching a few and have a few planned targets. But my question is this: the locations in an area a few blocks from the homeless shelter in an old part of town, would you guys try to get in during the day when your more visible but less likely to run into "trouble" in the form of "sinister" folks, or at night and just take pepper spray or the like. I'm weighing the possibilities and am looking for whatever input you guys might have. None of my locations have security cameras or systems from what i can tell so far, and they don't have a large amount of traffic around them but are clearly visible on all sides to the road but the traffic flow is fairly low. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

janeroe99 location: syracuse, new york Gender: Female \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 1 on 5/15/2006 1:44 AM >

	belle, it'S obviously safer to go ueing with a friend, especially in that area at night. Not only could you be disarmed of your pepper spray, but it also doesn't work on everyone, especially if they're in a rage or a psychotic state. go check them out, just keep your eyes open.

blackhawk This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: Mission Control UER newbie \| \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 2 on 5/15/2006 1:58 AM >

	Always go in the day. If the building is open just walk in, act like you belong. Don't loiter outside trying to look "casual". Don't count on pepper spray to save your assets!!! Some people just sneeze, and get really pissed. If it looks too rough, leave it be. Take a friend. Be more concerned about the presence gangbangers than the homeless, but try to avoid contact when possible. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.

Glass

location:
Chicago

as one does

Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 3 on 5/15/2006 6:53 AM >

Posted by blackhawk
Always go in the day. If the building is open just walk in, act like you belong. Don't loiter outside trying to look "casual". Don't count on pepper spray to save your assets!!! Some people just sneeze, and get really pissed. If it looks too rough, leave it be. Take a friend. Be more concerned about the presence gangbangers than the homeless, but try to avoid contact when possible.

A man with answers... but I don't think I agree.
Some places are only available during the night, especially in the city; there are homeless people out there and a lot of the time they're in the buildings we explore, but so what? You just have to go through carefully and make sure whoever's in there has some warning you're waltzing in. "Just passing through, we're just taking pictures, we don't mean harm... etc."
Though going with another person has benefits, try going solo a few times and see how it feels and works then do what feels right. I prefer to take art trips by myself because I take so long photographing that the other people get bored or just leave me behind. I prefer group trips in places in particularly high-crime areas or where there's the chance of serious injury.
Gangbangers! [manish giggle] Dealers and shooters have better things to do than piss on tags in a warehouse downtown.

GO-GO URBAN LIFE stereotypes!
-Glassius

true_infinity

location:
Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male

Jerk of the Year

Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 4 on 5/15/2006 2:26 PM >

Posted by Belle
I've done my fair bit of exploring but usually in abandoned houses in the middle of nowhere. I've been scouting in a more urban setting as of late to work my way up. There is a town near by with a fair number of old and abandoned buildings. I've been researching a few and have a few planned targets. But my question is this: the locations in an area a few blocks from the homeless shelter in an old part of town, would you guys try to get in during the day when your more visible but less likely to run into "trouble" in the form of "sinister" folks, or at night and just take pepper spray or the like. I'm weighing the possibilities and am looking for whatever input you guys might have. None of my locations have security cameras or systems from what i can tell so far, and they don't have a large amount of traffic around them but are clearly visible on all sides to the road but the traffic flow is fairly low. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

i would say, that if you are unsure about the safety aspect, try to team up with at least one other person for an initial outing to a new location. there are several folks in your area that are on here that contribute some great stuff, and frequent urban areas. OU812, Abandon-X, Mutt12, TBIG, Barry Kooda, Allva, RevSM, SilentSearch, and boutdatlonestar are some that i remember being in the texas area....maybe some will reply and offer thier company for an outing?

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just my $0.02

~b

Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing.

Mark Very Noble Donor location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole? \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 5 on 5/15/2006 5:02 PM >

	I know many of you think I will support weapons just because. So be it. I suggest takeing the mace, tell a friend if you can't bring one. Also daylight is always best not only because of people, but unknown floor hazards etc. I am currently lacking exploring partners myself. Most homeless people arent going to come grab you, but other people that inhabit abandoned buildings might. Gang's drug addicts etc. I am sorry she is female, and maybe she can hold her own. I knew a few girls that could. The problem is any female is a larger target then any male for assault, sexual assault or other types of problems.. No cop is going to give you shit for haveing Mace, and doing exploring. He might complain and ticket you for exploring, but I seriously doubt the cops are going to be negative toward non lethal self protection. Why people run around abandoned buildings with no form of protection, be it unarmed self defense classes, mace, or a maglight is beyond me. It's like paying for a hot hooker on the side of a street, and her saying dont have to use a condom. Yeah there arent any visible track marks and she is pretty hot. However not haveing some form of protection is senseless to me. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles"

blackhawk

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Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 6 on 5/15/2006 5:46 PM >

Posted by Glass

A man with answers... but I don't think I agree.
Some places are only available during the night, especially in the city; there are homeless people out there and a lot of the time they're in the buildings we explore, but so what? You just have to go through carefully and make sure whoever's in there has some warning you're waltzing in. "Just passing through, we're just taking pictures, we don't mean harm... etc."
Though going with another person has benefits, try going solo a few times and see how it feels and works then do what feels right. I prefer to take art trips by myself because I take so long photographing that the other people get bored or just leave me behind. I prefer group trips in places in particularly high-crime areas or where there's the chance of serious injury.
Gangbangers! [manish giggle] Dealers and shooters have better things to do than piss on tags in a warehouse downtown.

GO-GO URBAN LIFE stereotypes!
-Glassius

Not sure what your disagreeing with. Night is neither friend, or enemy; it's neutral. Unless you don't know the area, and your opponent does. In the case of rotting floors your going to need all the light you can get. Night missions can wait untill they have more experience with day missions in good neighborhoods. These aren't hardcore explorers, yet.

There are neighborhoods that so bad if your not the right "type" you don't go near. Gangs are territorial; a stranger shouldn't be there, and might be fun to play with. Rob, whatever. Beyond that there are plenty of opportunistic criminals looking for easy victims; if it looks unsafe, go with your gut instinct. Avoid it.
Mace is an unpredictable weapon. It can be blow back into your face making running impossible. I've seen this happen. It doesn't always work on the bad guys either.

Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.

Explorer Zero \| \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 7 on 5/15/2006 6:11 PM >

	wow if you have to ask those questions Id advise you against going there at all find something safer to do blackhawk more or less alluded to it but darkness CAN be your friend and no offense but you dont come across as the type to wander abandoned buildings in bum town day OR night or at least your questions suggest that you arent and I wouldnt want you to get into something youre not capable of dealing with based on advice you got from somebody on the Internet... [last edit 5/15/2006 6:16 PM by Explorer Zero - edited 1 times]

Belle

location:
texas
Gender: Female

Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 8 on 5/15/2006 7:18 PM >

I am sorry she is female, and maybe she can hold her own. I knew a few girls that could. The problem is any female is a larger target then any male for assault, sexual assault or other types of problems..

Yes this is my largest problem on a lot of adventures in general. While I have been know to defend myself most successfully the frustration lays in the fact I'm so much more likely to have to do so then my male counterparts. I usually carry a mag light when I'm out even in rural areas. And when I'm in central America I do actually carry a 45 (yes I'm trained, but no I wouldn't suggest anyone without years of training do so, and no I don't want to argue about the validity of that decision to carry with anyone who hasn't risked being kidnapped or sold on a sex slave market.)

wow if you have to ask those questions Id advise you against going there at all
find something safer to do
blackhawk more or less alluded to it but darkness CAN be your friend and no offense but you dont come across as the type to wander abandoned buildings in bum town day OR night or at least your questions suggest that you arent and I wouldnt want you to get into something youre not capable of dealing with based on advice you got from somebody on the Internet...

Thank you for the concern but I'm afraid you don't know me very well, I am actually quite comfortable in the neighborhood during the day time. The point of my question here was to get alternative points of view of my situation but by no means is my decision based on the advice I get here. I do really appreciate your concern about my Laval of ability I assure you while I'm a relative newbie when it comes to UE especially compared to the people here and probably to yourself, I'm not inexperienced at difficult or dangerous situations. My goal was to get others input on the situation and I've done just that. While it may not have changed my possible plans it has gotten me alternative views to ponder and helped me to meet a few folks around here as well.

true_infinity

location:
Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male

Jerk of the Year

Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 9 on 5/15/2006 7:26 PM >

Posted by Mark
Also daylight is always best not only because of people, but unknown floor hazards etc...
...Most homeless people arent going to come grab you, but other people that inhabit abandoned buildings might. Gang's drug addicts etc.

good point

The problem is any female is a larger target then any male for assault, sexual assault or other types of problems..

also statistically true

Why people run around abandoned buildings with no form of protection, be it unarmed self defense classes, mace, or a maglight is beyond me. It's like paying for a hot hooker on the side of a street, and her saying dont have to use a condom. Yeah there arent any visible track marks and she is pretty hot. However not haveing some form of protection is senseless to me.

F'ing hilarious analogy, and also a valuable bit of wisdom.

Im sure there are piles upon piles of weapons/ethics threads, but the difference between bringing a 12" bowie or a 1911 .45 ACP and a solo female bringing a mace keychain is obvious. And i doubt anyone would chastise a lady -exploring alone- for inviting trouble by bringing said mace.

I would say bust out the $6 for a little bottle of security, grab the camera and hit the streets!

~b

true_infinity

location:
Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male

Jerk of the Year

Re: It's all in the timeing
<Reply # 10 on 5/15/2006 7:45 PM >

Posted by Belle

i referred to carrying a 45 in my post, but i was not referring to you in particular, so i mean no offence in any way...but im at work, so it just took me so goddamn long to finish typing my reply, that you had posted in the meantime, lol.

toodles

~b

Belle location: texas Gender: Female \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 11 on 5/15/2006 8:02 PM >

	i referred to carrying a 45 in my post, but i was not referring to you in particular, so i mean no offence in any way~true_infinity No offense taken, to be honest I wouldn't recomend a firearm for most people or for most situations. The times when I'm carrying something like that are times of serious (I was raised as a very young girl with blond hair, in bad part of town, in a 3rd world country) need or danger, lol and usualy NOT in the US. I certainly agree with your point about the weapons in your post and while I do carry one at certain times I don't want anyone thinking I'm an overzealous gun freak or anything. I agree they are usualy far more dangerous to carry then they are to leave at home legly and phisicly!

SilentSearch location: Cowtown Gender: Male My rebellion against the santa cursor! HoHoHo \|	Re: It's all in the timeing <Reply # 12 on 5/16/2006 4:32 AM >

	I would still suggest going with someone. I prefer to travel in a small group, (strength in numbers should trouble find you) and help if something goes arry. Something to trade, (cheap cigs) are almost as good as money for homeless. Come to a meet and greet and get acquainted with some of the Explorers. That way, you may find someone to explore with the "ethics" this site tries to instill in us all. Official UE Safety officer and rescue specialist.

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