|
Deuterium
     
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
 |  | Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
< on 5/14/2006 8:51 AM >
|  | | | Sometimes, using the hoistway can grant you an access to a new world.
I made a new video for your entertainment.
*elevator surfing is dangerous and you assume responsibility for your own action*
Procedure:
1.
Send/take the elevator to a floor below where you want to get on the car top from.
2.
From the floor where you want to get on the top, open the hall door using a hoistway key. Is the elevator level enough to walk right onto it? Instead of jumping on it, it is easier to call the elevator to the floor you're at, then send it back down to the floor below, but stoop it between the floors using the hoistway key, so the elevator doesn't go all the way down.
3.
With the door held open(by you or your assistant), activate the "stop" switch on the elevator car top.
4.
Get out. Close the door behind you and call the elevator. It should not move.
5.
If it passed the prevoius step, open the hallway door again and step in.
6.
Make sure you're not in vicinity of moving parts. Move the switch to "insp." mode, then put the run/stop switch to run.
7.
While holding in the safe/activate slowly drive the elevator as high as it can go. Keep going until there's too little room above you or the elevator hits the upper limit and stops. If the space between the hoistway ceiling and elevator top becomes too narrow before the elevator hit the top limit, you risk getting crushed so its better if you find another elevator to play on.
8.
Once you pass the top limit test, drive up/down until you have the car at the desirable spot. The elevator will move super slow in this mode.
9.
Lift the rod on the innerside of the exterior door and open the door. Holding the door open, put the elevator back to normal run mode. DO NOT let the door close on you in this mode.
10. Step out and close the door behind you.
Enough reading?
Elevator driving in action (better than last version, I swear)
http://media.putfile.com/fdavzmu09 15MB. may take a while
[last edit 5/14/2006 9:04 AM by Deuterium - edited 2 times]
|
|
zx270
location:
Here
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 1 on 5/14/2006 9:56 PM >
| | | |
From the floor where you want to get on the top, open the hall door using a hoistway key. Is the elevator level enough to walk right onto it? Instead of jumping on it, it is easier to call the elevator to the floor you're at, then send it back down to the floor below, but stoop it between the floors using the hoistway key, so the elevator doesn't go all the way down.
|
What do you mean by the hoistway key? Are you talking about the key which will open any hoistway doors(firemans key) or the key which is used to control the elevator? If you are using a firemans key, how do you use it to stop the elevator? And I have heard that if any hoistway door opens, except the door were the elevator is stationed, the elevator will stop running. BTW that looks like a different elevator. How many elevators have you tried this on?
|
|
Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 2 on 5/15/2006 2:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by zx270
From the floor where you want to get on the top, open the hall door using a hoistway key. Is the elevator level enough to walk right onto it? Instead of jumping on it, it is easier to call the elevator to the floor you're at, then send it back down to the floor below, but stoop it between the floors using the hoistway key, so the elevator doesn't go all the way down.
|
What do you mean by the hoistway key? Are you talking about the key which will open any hoistway doors(firemans key) or the key which is used to control the elevator? If you are using a firemans key, how do you use it to stop the elevator? And I have heard that if any hoistway door opens, except the door were the elevator is stationed, the elevator will stop running. BTW that looks like a different elevator. How many elevators have you tried this on?
|
Something like this:
You don't have to buy the actual tool for most elevators. I'll let you figure out how to handle it.
|
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| |  | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 3 on 5/17/2006 7:30 AM >
| | | | Blood gushing, missing limbs, a crushed ruined form writhing in agony. These are the first thoughts that go through my mind when I read these posts. Sooner or later the odds catch up with you. It's a truly bitter taste to know you just killed or maimed yourself, and have a second or a lifetime to enjoy your folly.
-Fail-safes fail-
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 4 on 5/17/2006 8:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Blood gushing, missing limbs, a crushed ruined form writhing in agony. These are the first thoughts that go through my mind when I read these posts. Sooner or later the odds catch up with you. It's a truly bitter taste to know you just killed or maimed yourself, and have a second or a lifetime to enjoy your folly.
-Fail-safes fail-
|
What's with the elevator fear? Same consequence when you're going up a ladder mounted on the side of a tall building and you slip and fall 13 stories.
|
|
phor_d
 
location:
McGregor, TX and NE
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 5 on 5/17/2006 3:38 PM >
| | | | The falling 13 stories is more of a *splat* and you're dead thing. Elevators have the option of just taking off an arm or your legs or whatever, leaving you to die nice and slow, or leaving you to live the rest of your life like that. They're probably a little riskier than a lot of UE adventures, in that it's electronically controlled, could be activated from somewhere else even though the inspection switch is on, etc. In most UE, how hard your hand is grabbing the ladder/rope/whatever controls your alive-ness factor. The elevator's just a little less controlled-by-you. I don't trust electronics with my life if I don't have to. I'll try elevator surfing sometime, but I'll probably be more careful with it than any other random outing I've gone on so far.
|
|
zx270
location:
Here
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 6 on 5/17/2006 7:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Blood gushing, missing limbs, a crushed ruined form writhing in agony. These are the first thoughts that go through my mind when I read these posts. Sooner or later the odds catch up with you. It's a truly bitter taste to know you just killed or maimed yourself, and have a second or a lifetime to enjoy your folly.
-Fail-safes fail-
|
Its safe if
A. you follow the correct protocol for getting on, operating the elevator,ect.
B. the elevator is functioning correctly(it has proof of inspection)
Can you tell us how to reset a elevator door that you have opened with the hoistway key?
[last edit 5/17/2006 7:23 PM by zx270 - edited 1 times]
|
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 7 on 5/17/2006 8:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by zx270
Its safe if
A. you follow the correct protocol for getting on, operating the elevator,ect.
B. the elevator is functioning correctly(it has proof of inspection)
Can you tell us how to reset a elevator door that you have opened with the hoistway key?
|
If it's powered up, if the breakers for it are not locked in the off position, or not resting on the ground floor, it by no means "safe". That piece of paper is just that, and it doesn't cover acts done outside the passenger compartment. One failure of a safety microswitch (they do fail), or just being in the wrong spot; your fucked. Try playing around on moving trains, these lots of fun too.
Don't mislead people to think this is anything more than a fool hardy act of stupidity. Yeah, it's an adrenaline rush too.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 8 on 5/18/2006 6:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by phor_d
The falling 13 stories is more of a *splat* and you're dead thing. Elevators have the option of just taking off an arm or your legs or whatever, leaving you to die nice and slow, or leaving you to live the rest of your life like that. They're probably a little riskier than a lot of UE adventures, in that it's electronically controlled, could be activated from somewhere else even though the inspection switch is on, etc. In most UE, how hard your hand is grabbing the ladder/rope/whatever controls your alive-ness factor. The elevator's just a little less controlled-by-you. I don't trust electronics with my life if I don't have to. I'll try elevator surfing sometime, but I'll probably be more careful with it than any other random outing I've gone on so far.
|
I just chose 13 stories as an example. In reality, many falls don't kill you instantly, but often leaves you with broken bones and/or paralysis. The Nissan 350Z has drive-by-wire electronically controlled throttle and it's less mechanically controlled by you than the standard throttle cable control. Would that prevent you from driving, because you fear the gas pedal "could become floored electronically" while you're making a tight turn and careen into the path of a semi? Finally, what's to guarantee that your brake system won't suddenly fail and cause you to crash down a cliff? If these thoughts aren't keeping you from driving a car, then I think you're exaggerating the risk of elevator electronics failure.
Posted by blackhawk
If it's powered up, if the breakers for it are not locked in the off position, or not resting on the ground floor, it by no means "safe". That piece of paper is just that, and it doesn't cover acts done outside the passenger compartment. One failure of a safety microswitch (they do fail), or just being in the wrong spot; your fucked. Try playing around on moving trains, these lots of fun too.
|
You're correct it *can* fail, just like anything else, but you don't have to be top riding the car for the microswitch failure to hurt you. If the door position switch is malfunctioning the elevator car can move when you try to hold the elevator by blocking the path of the closing door. Such accidents are rare nonetheless. You could be bicycling and the front fork could catastrophically snap off causing you to get run over by a car, I guess you better stop bicycling huh?
http://www.snopes....akish/elevator.asp
Posted by zx270
Its safe if
A. you follow the correct protocol for getting on, operating the elevator,ect.
B. the elevator is functioning correctly(it has proof of inspection)
Can you tell us how to reset a elevator door that you have opened with the hoistway key?
|
It resets itself when you close the door. This is why you do not close the door behind on you until you activated the stop switch on the car. Even after you activate the stop switch, get out, close the door and ensure the elevator stays still to verify proper functioning of the controls.
|
|
Chronos
location:
Phoenix, Arizona
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 9 on 5/18/2006 10:25 AM >
|  | | | I think I am getting the jist of how to get onto the elevator cab, except for one thing: I can't think of anyway to improvise a hoistway key. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
"Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain |
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 10 on 5/18/2006 1:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
You're correct it *can* fail, just like anything else, but you don't have to be top riding the car for the microswitch failure to hurt you. If the door position switch is malfunctioning the elevator car can move when you try to hold the elevator by blocking the path of the closing door. Such accidents are rare nonetheless. You could be bicycling and the front fork could catastrophically snap off causing you to get run over by a car, I guess you better stop bicycling huh?
http://www.snopes....akish/elevator.asp
|
You have little or no wiggle room in an encased space like that. That diminishes your chances of survival exponentially. I've survived at least a 4 potentially fatal accidents with injuries, and half dozen or more without injury. I've had collisions with cars twice on the bike(s). I still bike without fear.
How many times have you bled profusely from playing elevators? For what? To die in a dark, greasy shaft?
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 11 on 5/19/2006 5:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
You have little or no wiggle room in an encased space like that. That diminishes your chances of survival exponentially. I've survived at least a 4 potentially fatal accidents with injuries, and half dozen or more without injury. I've had collisions with cars twice on the bike(s). I still bike without fear.
How many times have you bled profusely from playing elevators? For what? To die in a dark, greasy shaft?
|
Most of these "elevator death" are from reckless behavior like jumping between two cars within the shaft.
|
|
Vision
location:
Pacific Northwest
Gender: Male
Retired explorer
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 12 on 5/19/2006 6:04 AM >
| | | | I find it funny that you don't consider riding on top of a speeding elevator is reckless. But when you are riding make sure to follow these safe elevator tips.
Edit: Fixed smile
[last edit 5/19/2006 6:06 AM by Vision - edited 1 times]
|
|
phor_d
location:
McGregor, TX and NE
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 13 on 5/19/2006 2:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I just chose 13 stories as an example. In reality, many falls don't kill you instantly, but often leaves you with broken bones and/or paralysis. The Nissan 350Z has drive-by-wire electronically controlled throttle and it's less mechanically controlled by you than the standard throttle cable control. Would that prevent you from driving, because you fear the gas pedal "could become floored electronically" while you're making a tight turn and careen into the path of a semi? Finally, what's to guarantee that your brake system won't suddenly fail and cause you to crash down a cliff? If these thoughts aren't keeping you from driving a car, then I think you're exaggerating the risk of elevator electronics failure.
|
Yeah, I drive old cars. And it's theoretically possible, the randomly becoming floored thing, particularly if somebody wants to do it to you. And fly-by-wire planes, they are built far better than elevators or drive-by-wire cars, as far as shielding and backup systems go. Brakes don't fail fast, and you have a manual emergency/parking brake too, and engine braking, and bleeding off speed in corners, or just swerving off the road, or jumping out into a grassy spot. Electronics don't usually give much warning, they just go, and there's usually not a MacGyver-able way out of it before shit hits the fan.
I'm not saying I won't ever do it, just explaining my reasoning behind why I think it's more dangerous than most other explorative things I do. And on the note of what blackhawk said, I'd rather die in fiery wreck at 160 mph than get squished in an elevator. It's just not nearly as cool...
|
|
Piper
location:
Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 14 on 5/25/2006 1:46 PM >
| | | | I've posted about this topic before in another thread.
I work in the elevator industry, this is something left to people that know especially when dealing with different makes of elevators. All are set up in their own way but all have the same risks. I've work in shafts on one car with the others running on either side. In some you won't know a car was coming if it wasn't for the lights inside or voices from passengers within. Counterweight at times can run by without any noise, you would just feel the wind as it went by. At times working away you actually forget others cars and will only notice the travelling cable move out of the corner of your eye.
Space is tight up there, for example the distance between the car sill and entrance is max 1 1/4". One job had 3" clearance on the rear, 6" on one side the other had next to none due to the counterweight.
I believe the other thread had a picture that showed the pit with what looked like sand all over the floor. To me that's due to an oil leak = strike one. Also the picture was taken with the door opening and car was still able to move. Again to me that car should move with a door open meaning problems with the interlock assembly = strike two. I won't want to be around for strike three as the maintenance done to this car is poor.
Bottom line forget the car top - take the stairs.
Piper
It's not the kill, it's the thrill of the chase. |
|
Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 15 on 5/28/2006 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
Sometimes, using the hoistway can grant you an access to a new world.
*elevator surfing is dangerous and you assume responsibility for your own action*
5.
If it passed the prevoius step, open the hallway door again and step in.
|
Clarificaton of this step:
When you open the hoistway doors at one level above where elevator landed, you can see the top, just walk onto the top of it. You can see a box with a light bulb on it. That box also have the controls.
Posted by Deuterium
7.
While holding in the safe/activate slowly drive the elevator as high as it can go. Keep going until there's too little room above you or the elevator hits the upper limit and stops. If the space between the hoistway ceiling and elevator top becomes too narrow before the elevator hit the top limit, you risk getting crushed so its better if you find another elevator to play on.
8.
Once you pass the top limit test, drive up/down until you have the car at the desirable spot. The elevator will move super slow in this mode.
|
Close up of the car top inspection station, the driver's seat on the car top.
|
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 16 on 5/28/2006 12:36 AM >
| | | | from: ]http://www.securit...s/law/93jun003.txt
The EVS also investigates elevator injuries to determine
how the injuries actually occurred. For example, one youth left
his apartment and returned later with three fingers missing.
The youth told responding Housing Authority officers that the
injury was caused by the elevator door closing on his fingers.
A trail of blood from the elevator to the youth's apartment
appeared to corroborate this story, but the officers could not
find the severed fingers.
When EVS members arrived to investigate, they meticulously
searched the garbage-strewn elevator shaft for the fingers.
They then examined the top of the elevator, actually riding the
top to check every ledge, where the fingers might possibly have
fallen.
Past experience then led them to check the guide rollers on
the floor where the accident occurred. (Guide rollers are
wheels attached to the steel tracks that run vertically inside
the shaft. The elevator runs on these tracks, and the rollers
stabilize the cab while it is in motion.) Juveniles who ride the
tops of elevators sometimes grab the steel tracks for balance.
This young man, while playing a dangerous game on the elevator,
grabbed the steel tracks for balance, and his hands slid up to
the guide roller, severing his fingers. EVS members found the
fingers still in the guide roller.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
rainman8889
location:
H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 17 on 5/28/2006 1:02 AM >
| | | | Thanks for the link blackhawk. That's something to think about when playing with elevators.
Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. |
|
The_Man_in_Black
location:
Near Buffalo
Gender: Male
Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist..
| | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 18 on 5/28/2006 3:48 PM >
| | | | Y'know..
I was driving down the road the other day with a van full of children and the wife, and had to slam on the brakes to narrowly miss two deer who suddenly bolted from the bush at the side of the road. If I had been driving a bit faster, or if they had bolted two seconds later, I wouldn't be writing this right now.
My round about way of making a point - there's plenty of stuff out there that can kill you in daily life, and some of them you might never even see coming. UE is inherently dangerous enough, but at least things move in relative slow motion - we can stop and gauge the rusty ladder for strength, or test our weight gingerly on that rotten looking floor.
Not true of elevator riding - as has been eloquently stated by others already, death can come at you rather quickly, and you wouldn't even see it or hear it. And if/when it does, it was completely avoidable.
So.. y'know.. don't be stupid.
TMiB
I miss ednothing.. and Glass.. and Seicer.. and Jester.. and Chainsaw.. and THD.. and Mike D.. and Crossfire.. and Noah Vale.. and Maynard.. and pixie.. and Mr. Yuk.. and Worm Wirsbo.. and Miss_Informed... and dev.. Rest In Peace, dev. |
|
HillbillyHorus
location:
Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Elevator car top riding / "elevator surfing"
<Reply # 19 on 5/28/2006 8:41 PM >
| | | | See what I mean? The threads re-cycle every 6 months. If things go on schedule, a "how do I open heavy manholes" thread will show up in the next week or so.
You can't fall off a mountain. |
|
Powered by AvBoard AvBoard version 1.5 alpha
Page Generated In: 78 ms
|
|
Ethics