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Alestrial
    
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|  | | | I have heard mention of scanners (radio signaling ones) and have become interested in a purchase if anyone has advise to type and price to achieve please share.
"C) If you have access to a scanner, take it along. It will be your best warning if something is coming. To find the frequencies, Google "AAR radio frequencies" and that should give all the information on what frequencies to program into them. "
this kind of scanner.
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<Reply # 1 on 5/11/2006 4:47 PM >
| | | | More junk that doesn't help in pic taking. If your chasing police, firemen to crime/accident scenes I can see using one, otherwise it's liability with limited benefits that are outweighed by the problems. In both reliability, and the mere fact that your carrying it. It also makes noise.
If your not a criminal most times if the cops are there your best off just walking right up to, or by them. Use discreation, but most cops know why your carrying all that camera gear. Don't carry items that criminals commonly use.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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el nerdo
     
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What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
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<Reply # 2 on 5/11/2006 5:10 PM >
| | | | I hate to be the one to say it, but please use the search function. There are many many threads on this very subject.
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No Blunts
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<Reply # 3 on 5/11/2006 6:13 PM >
| | | | A scanner is pretty much automatic criminal intent. Do not carry it on UE.
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as one does
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<Reply # 4 on 5/11/2006 6:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Blunts
A scanner is pretty much automatic criminal intent. Do not carry it on UE.
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Yeah... So is a screwdriver.
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Alestrial
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<Reply # 5 on 5/12/2006 3:27 AM >
| | | | it just fascinates me. the idea of listening to them and following and train workers radios also.
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<Reply # 6 on 6/6/2006 5:40 PM >
| | | | I have used a scanner on missions I wouldn't call UE, that could not possibly be construed as having any intent. They are interesting tools but during these I was a dedicated radio guy (scanner and an FRS), and not involved in the action. It was very useful, actually ... just a little boring for the radio guy. 
As for trains: lots of people including me put the EOT (end of train) device frequencies into each of their scanner banks as a safety precaution when near tracks, as they will provide you with fairly (but not absolutely!) reliable advance notice that a train is approaching. If you are a railfan doing railfan stuff, hey ... go for it. Any scanner can pick up that sort of thing. You will also get some advance notice if you listen to the road frequencies and hear wayside equipment like hotbox detectors being set off (bonus points if you know where local mile markers are, as the detectors usually announce them over the air, telling you which direction the train is approaching from).
I would not bring a scanner on a true UE where intent could be questioned. But they are indeed a fascinating source of information and COULD be useful in SOME types of situations; let your good judgement be your guide.
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<Reply # 7 on 6/7/2006 1:48 AM >
| | | | Here in the States, carrying a scanner on one's person is a crime within it's self depending on what frequencies are programmed in it. In New York, for example, if you are caught carrying one in your vehicle, whether it is turned on or off, with ANY police frequencies, you are pretty much GUARANTEED to have it confiscated and be summonsed at the least. In some states, it is a violation of law to be within a certain proximity of a crime scene with one. Bottom line, best leave it home if you are exploring because it is sure to raise more questions that you may want to answer.
Modified for gramatical content.
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el nerdo
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<Reply # 8 on 6/7/2006 1:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mongo
In New York, for example, if you are caught carrying one in your vehicle, whether it is turned on or off, with ANY police frequencies, you are pretty much GUARANTEED to have it confiscated and be summonsed at the least.
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UNLESS YOU HAVE AN AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE. Which was mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Mongo
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<Reply # 9 on 6/7/2006 1:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
UNLESS YOU HAVE AN AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE. Which was mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Sorry, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in this thread, but yes, that is on exception to the rule. One other way is to obtain written permission from a chief of police for the frequency that you have in the scanner, but you need a pretty good reason to have it with you, such as being a member of a fire department or rescue squad.
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el nerdo
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<Reply # 10 on 6/7/2006 1:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mongo
Sorry, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in this thread, but yes, that is on exception to the rule. One other way is to obtain written permission from a chief of police for the frequency that you have in the scanner, but you need a pretty good reason to have it with you, such as being a member of a fire department or rescue squad.
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Sorry, I was thinking about another scanner thread here (God knows there's only 1000 of them)...
Regardless, get a ham license. It's really simple, cheap ($14 for the exam in the US), and is good for 10 years (in the USA; good for life in Canada).
Then you can carry a scanner anywhere. Plus, you can use way higher power than the clown shoes FRS radios.
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Myelin
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<Reply # 11 on 6/7/2006 2:02 AM >
| | | | "But officer, I have a ham radio licence. Look! [snort snort] And all I have programmed in are these silly ole NOAA frequences and two towing companies..."
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Switchkey
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<Reply # 12 on 6/7/2006 2:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
Sorry, I was thinking about another scanner thread here (God knows there's only 1000 of them)...
Regardless, get a ham license. It's really simple, cheap ($14 for the exam in the US), and is good for 10 years (in the USA; good for life in Canada).
Then you can carry a scanner anywhere. Plus, you can use way higher power than the clown shoes FRS radios.
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VERY good point. It also gives you "authority" to have better equipment than an off-the-shelf scanner as many ham portaples can be programmed with other frequencies on a receive only basis.
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el nerdo
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<Reply # 13 on 6/7/2006 3:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Switchkey
VERY good point. It also gives you "authority" to have better equipment than an off-the-shelf scanner as many ham portaples can be programmed with other frequencies on a receive only basis.
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Exactly. Most Ham handhelds can be programmed to scan just about anything.
If you're not in a big city, where the FD/PD use a trunked radio system, it's usually quite easy to set up a ham HT to listen to the cops.
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Roadwolf
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<Reply # 14 on 6/7/2006 3:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Blunts
A scanner is pretty much automatic criminal intent. Do not carry it on UE.
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WTF?
ok, don't get confused by the americans on here, for which owning and possessing a scanner is frowned upon in america.
In CANADA. The general public can use and be in possession of a radio scanning receiver at any time, in any location, and listen to ANYTHING... including cellular mobile radiophones (cell phones).
In CANADA it is the right of every civilian to be able to listen to any frequency on the radio spectrum as the canadian government sees the radio spectrum as public domain.
You can not be charged for the possession of a scanner in Canada under the radio communications act sections 4 and 9
HOWEVER: if you use the scanner for personal gain, or make use of the information you received on your scanner. Then... well you walk a fine line - but they have to prove that you used the scanner for personal gain.
Its always a good idea to monitor such police bands and whatnot when you are exploring. Or have a lookout monitor said bands and radio you if there is any trouble.
4. (1) No person shall, except under and in accordance with a radio authorization, install, operate or possess radio apparatus, other than
(a) radio apparatus exempted by or under regulations made under paragraph 6(1)(m); or
(b) radio apparatus that is capable only of the reception of broadcasting and that is not a distribution undertaking.
9. (1) No person shall
(a) knowingly send, transmit or cause to be sent or transmitted any false or fraudulent distress signal, message, call or radiogram of any kind;
(b) without lawful excuse, interfere with or obstruct any radiocommunication;
(c) decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed;
(d) operate a radio apparatus so as to receive an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed that has been decoded in contravention of paragraph (c); or
(e) retransmit to the public an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed that has been decoded in contravention of paragraph (c).
Prohibition
(1.1) Except as prescribed, no person shall make use of or divulge a radio-based telephone communication
(a) if the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it was in Canada when the communication was made; and
(b) unless the originator, or the person intended by the originator to receive the communication consents to the use or divulgence.
Idem
(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it.
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function
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| | | Re: Scanner
<Reply # 15 on 6/7/2006 3:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mongo
Here in the States, carrying a scanner on one's person is a crime within it's self depending on what frequencies are programmed in it. |
You raise a good point; scanners have very different legal profiles in different countries. Here in Canada, we have very lax laws regarding scanners (with the exception of Manitoba, where you may not operate a scanner in a vehicle). It is considered perfectly legal to intercept radio transmissions (but there are, of course, penalties for demonstrable criminal use of / gains via that information).
As noted before ... use good judgement.
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function
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<Reply # 16 on 6/7/2006 3:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by Roadwolf
In CANADA it is the right of every civilian to be able to listen to any frequency on the radio spectrum as the canadian government sees the radio spectrum as public domain. |
Except if you have, say special devices to pick up police radar signals as you are driving. Quickly.
Suddenly, on that one, US and Canadian laws do a total reversal. ;)
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Roadwolf
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<Reply # 17 on 6/7/2006 3:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by function
Except if you have, say special devices to pick up police radar signals as you are driving. Quickly.
Suddenly, on that one, US and Canadian laws do a total reversal. ;)
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that is interpeted as making use of a radio signal. 
infact in some parts of Canada, radar detectors are not considered illegal.
and a radar detector is hugely different then a communications receiver - to the point of being offtopic.
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Myelin
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<Reply # 18 on 6/8/2006 1:10 PM >
| | | | RW:
It is truly ironic that Canada's scanner laws are SIMPLE yet are usually misunderstood or misinterpreted. As such, everytime I see the subject of Canadian scanner laws discussed on an internet forum, I cringe. Thanks for being one of the few who can "get it right". The radiocommunications act is crystal (pun intended) clear on the subject, but most people who express their opinion on scanner laws are usually basing it on what "their friend the cop" told them, or the salesman at Radio Shack, or the guy who works across the line from them at Chrysler, etc. I actually think our scanner laws in Canada are VERY reasonable and wouldn't have it any other way.
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Roadwolf
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<Reply # 19 on 6/8/2006 2:49 PM >
| | | | indeed, our scanner laws are very nice and very fair to the people.
we got it easy. and I am just trying to help others understand.
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