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Deuterium
     
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< on 5/1/2006 3:00 AM >
|  | | | I can usually get into locked down classroom buildings after hours by following someone in as they go in or out and most people are usually cool.
They even go as far as holding open the door, but this one bitch said "I can't let you in if you don't belong here".
There have been many many thefts from various buildings on campus thanks to worthless type of people who go in to steal.
How bad is a scenario like above going to have myself tagged as "suspect" ?
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tick
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 5/1/2006 3:08 AM >
|  | | | Yeah I know what you mean. I was studying (really) in an academic building after-hours, when three police officers approached me and demanded to know how I got in. I could have lied and said that someone let me in, but it was more fun to point out that they'd failed to lock one of the doors every night for almost a year.
You should have asked the lady how you were supposed to know that she belonged there, and that she wasn't using a stolen key/card/combination/whatever.
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Deuterium
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<Reply # 2 on 5/1/2006 7:46 AM >
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Yeah I know what you mean. I was studying (really) in an academic building after-hours, when three police officers approached me and demanded to know how I got in. I could have lied and said that someone let me in, but it was more fun to point out that they'd failed to lock one of the doors every night for almost a year.
You should have asked the lady how you were supposed to know that she belonged there, and that she wasn't using a stolen key/card/combination/whatever.
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I read the police log all the time, which is in the school paper. If I piss her off, she might tip me off to the cops as seeing "suspicious person trying to gain access" with description next time something happens in that building. Not good.
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Sanitarium
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Florida
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 5/1/2006 7:19 PM >
| | | | You can also use this as a way into gated subdivisions... wait for someone to enter their code, then drive in behind them
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rainman8889
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H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: Following someone into the building
<Reply # 4 on 5/2/2006 1:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I can usually get into locked down classroom buildings after hours by following someone in as they go in or out and most people are usually cool.
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Sure they're 'cool', but when something happens (ie theft), then they blame Security for being negligent. After all, the guards are supposed to automatically know who is safe to let in and who is going to do something.
Posted by Deuterium
They even go as far as holding open the door, but this one bitch said "I can't let you in if you don't belong here".
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Before you start calling someone a 'bitch', have you ever thought that maybe something bad happened to her because some 'cool' person let a complete stranger in? I was working at an apartment building years ago in Ajax and one of the tenants was severely beaten and raped in her own apartment. The shitbag that did that to her got into the building by one of her 'cool' neighbours holding the door open for him. God forbid but how would you feel if a member of your family or a good friend was attacked by a complete stranger in their own work area or home because some 'cool' person held the door open? Attacks like that can be better prevented by more people like the 'bitch' refusing to allow someone in.
Posted by Deuterium
There have been many many thefts from various buildings on campus thanks to worthless type of people who go in to steal.
How bad is a scenario like above going to have myself tagged as "suspect" ?
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Those many thefts could be the reason why 'this one bitch' refused you access. When it comes to strangers, it's best to refuse access. Most people are completely harmless but that 1% would be enough to cause major problems.
That's something that is a major nuisance to Security. Someone lets a complete stranger in and then when something happens (in one case someone's car got trashed), hold the guard accountable. The incident in the apartment building got me and my co-workers freaked on for negligence. There was a more recent case of 'tailgating' (that's what we call 'Following someone in') in the building I'm currently working in. I got freaked on and threatened with being fired because someone who got into a secured area by tailgating was caught lifting ceiling tiles. Fortunately the person who allowed the tailgater in fessed up when confronted by their boss so I wasn't fired but the unjustified reaming I got still pisses me off.
Posted by tick
You should have asked the lady how you were supposed to know that she belonged there, and that she wasn't using a stolen key/card/combination/whatever.
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I like that answer tick!  All she would have to do (assuming she's legit) is contact Security and they can verify whether she belongs there or not.
Don't take this as a flaming, Deuterium. Please look at the other side of the fence and consider the consequences of someone who is up to no good getting into a place through this method. Something like this can literally mean life or death to someone who lives or works in the building.
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Flik
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 5 on 5/2/2006 7:44 PM >
| | | | I kind of agree with rainman on some of this. Back at an apartment complex I used to live in there were always a lot of shady people hanging around the front doors at night. People I'd really rather were not in the building. Sometimes I'd park my car very late at night and some of them would be standing there, waiting to get in (and of course none of them lived there). I'd go out of my way to walk way around to the other side of the building to go in a back door.
I wouldn't have even cared if it was pouring rain out. I knew what many of those people were up to, and there was no way in hell I'd want to feel responsable for letting them into the building.
...of course, other idiots would let them in, but at least it wasn't me.
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| | | Re: Following someone into the building
<Reply # 6 on 5/2/2006 9:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I can usually get into locked down classroom buildings after hours by following someone in as they go in or out and most people are usually cool.
They even go as far as holding open the door, but this one bitch said "I can't let you in if you don't belong here".
There have been many many thefts from various buildings on campus thanks to worthless type of people who go in to steal.
How bad is a scenario like above going to have myself tagged as "suspect" ?
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I think the woman had a lot of balls to stand up to you. Don't act like a career criminal if you don't want to get tagged as one. If you know it's a high crime area why mess with people who's nerves are on end. Even if you are harmless you create more chaos at the entrance, making entry harder and nerve rattling for legitimate persons.
-I never try anything, I just do it-
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Curufinwe
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Columbus OH
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 5/3/2006 7:35 PM >
| | | | I've done this quite often, the trick I've found is timing. Don't be visibly waiting outside the door, rather, watch from concealment and when you see someone approaching, conveniently be behind them -- then the natural assumption is that you COULD get in yourself. Be casual and confident, in the case of academic buildings you should act like a grad student (assuming you're in the appropriate age range). Don't be all sneaky and ninja-like. If someone like the "bitch" does question you (which, btw, has never happened to me yet so this is untested), you might just explain that you think you left a notebook in a classroom and would she mind escorting you there if she's concerned. In any case, don't resist or argue if they are adamant, these are all no-brainers. Have fun
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Krawnik
 
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Kingston/Toronto
Gender: Male
Raiders of the Lost Architecture
| | Re: Following someone into the building
<Reply # 8 on 5/3/2006 10:33 PM >
| | | | I've only ever done this once, to get into a section of a chem building on my campus that required card ID to get in. I saw a prof or someone coming towards me from the other side through the crack between the doors, distanced myself, and walked towards the doors just as he was opening them. Oh my, what a coincidence!
Actually, he gave me a really weird and uncalled for Porky Pig impression, but he seemed like a nice guy. I'm surprised he wasn't more suspicious, really, he was a prof and I was a student- the building was already locked down for the weekend, and it was St. Patrick's day but I wasn't partying. I would have been crazy suspicious if I saw a kid heading to a lab instead of a kegger on St. Paddy's Day.
Oh well, it was kind of a wash anyway. I wasn't interested in the labs, only the roof, and the door to the roof (accesible only by a staircase in the carded area, you see) was locked. Sheesh.
friggin' racists messing up my generalizations, also stealing my jobs, women.
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
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| | | Re: Following someone into the building
<Reply # 9 on 5/4/2006 12:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krawnik
I would have been crazy suspicious if I saw a kid heading to a lab instead of a kegger on St. Paddy's Day.
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Unless said kid is Asian.
SCORE!
Asians are never questioned
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