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Confined Space Training
< on 4/26/2006 8:50 PM >
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After our incident yesterday (you can get to it here We Found Guns Z1 and I were talking to an officer at the scene. He recommended that we should get confined space training. Has anyone done this before and do you find it useful? How much did it cost?

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 1 on 4/26/2006 8:55 PM >
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I've had confined space rescue training and confined space entry permit issuer training, both of which were provided by the industrial security dept. from a Michigan university. My employer paid for it, so I can't say what it costs. I can say that it really opened my eyes up to hazards and safety concerns I never thought existed. If you can't afford the training, I would get some good books on the subject and start reading. This isn't something you can learn from misinformed anecdotes passed around among UE'ers.
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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 2 on 4/26/2006 8:57 PM >
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I've had it through work. The training is nice, but you also need gear, and theoretically you need a confined space work permit. I think OSHA requires organizations to restrict confined space work to people who obtain a permit through the organization, but obviously personal stuff doesn't fall under OSHA requirements. Gear required varies on what you're entering, from an exhaust fan, to SCBA, to air quality monitors, to a harness and tripod rescue system. Just have a look at say www.lss.com or www.grainger.com in their confined space safety sections. Not a cheap proposition.

I'm not sure where you can go to get "free lance" confined space training.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 3 on 4/26/2006 9:03 PM >
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There are two levels of OSHA Confined Space certification; Attendant level (8-hour) and Entry level (24 hour). I was quoted $250 or so for the 24-hour class (I have to take it this summer, for my job). Even the 8-hour class is very informative, they cover all the hazards & basics of OSHA-approved confined space entry. (I got the 8-hour class for free, because the guy who taught my 8-hour HAZWOPER refresher had some free time, and just happened to have all his confined space stuff with him).
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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 4 on 4/28/2006 10:29 AM >
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Just getting your confined space entry will not do you much good unless you are going to stick with drains. You need to do the HAZWOPER course which is a 40 hour course and then you have to do a 8 hour refresher every 2 years. Then my friend you will be trained to deal with almost anything.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 5 on 4/29/2006 6:58 AM >
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The full HAZWOPER course is definitely good to know. A good place to start for confined space info is on the OSHA site. http://www.osha.go...s/recognition.html
Navigate around the site, there is more info besides this link.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 6 on 4/29/2006 1:39 PM >
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The biggest issue that I have seen with confined spaces is atmosphere, or the possible lack of oxygen. Gas detectors aren't exactly cheap either so you are apt to not identify the hazzard or problem untill it is too late. The second issue is what to do if and when someone gets hurt. often times any and all communication is compromised and your supplies are limited. Thirdly, I hate tight spaces, but hey, that's just me.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 7 on 4/29/2006 1:42 PM >
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Posted by obxprnstar
The biggest issue that I have seen with confined spaces is atmosphere, or the possible lack of oxygen. Gas detectors aren't exactly cheap either so you are apt to not identify the hazzard or problem untill it is too late. The second issue is what to do if and when someone gets hurt. often times any and all communication is compromised and your supplies are limited. Thirdly, I hate tight spaces, but hey, that's just me.


I guess it isn't practical to have a fully stocked confined space rescue cart/vehicle stationed at every UE infiltration, huh? ;)

As you probably know that is SOP for confined space entries in industrial workplaces (in Canada at least, elsewhere as well I assume).
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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 8 on 5/1/2006 11:56 PM >
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Posted by Myelin


I guess it isn't practical to have a fully stocked confined space rescue cart/vehicle stationed at every UE infiltration, huh? ;)

As you probably know that is SOP for confined space entries in industrial workplaces (in Canada at least, elsewhere as well I assume).


Yeah, I had been trying to talk my boss into paying me OT for doing UE, but he won't "cave" in.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 9 on 5/4/2006 1:18 PM >
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i work in confined spaces, almost every day, i rubber line tanks wich hold acid and other nasty shit, i have a full face respirator and half mask, we also have many air supply respirators, i get cartridges that are good for hs gas (5 min escape) and have p100s on them, so good for airborne particles too.

we have to wear a harness when we are applying the primers for the cement, and wear an air supply resp.. this shit will knock you out cold in 10 minutes, if your not protected, i know people that have passed out even with a respirator, this is why we wear tyvek suits, so it cant be absorbed into your skin.but yeah, confined space entry is NO JOKE.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 10 on 5/4/2006 3:59 PM >
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I was a certified permit issuer and I would not issue permits to anyone who would not wear their harness, no exceptions.

You know how tricky it is putting your harness on for the first time. Well, in rescue training, I remember how hard it was to put a harness on someone else - it's the same thing all over again...and time is lost in an emergency.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 11 on 5/12/2006 2:49 AM >
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I took a department of fire programs confined space operator level class a couple months ago. It was an awesome class, combing the skills of caving, the equipment of firefighting, and the general dorkiness of vertical work. Tremendous fun.

That being said, I think its of minimal use to the average UEer. Confined space rescue is pretty much designed around the assumption that the victim was overcome by atmospheric hazards. As a result all entry is made with a remote air system (SABA), full face mask, helmet, and class 3 harness. During entry you drag in an air line, a rescue line, escape bottle, and a comms line. And possibly whatever gear you plan to use to aid the victim. Not the sort of stuff most of us have lying around.

Its not useless for UE. It does give you a good awareness to the hazards that can exist. The case studies were interesting/frightening. And the gas meter stuff could be very useful for the well heeled explorer. But for that part of training, you're probably better doing a little reading on your own than going with the knowledge that's been made firefighter palatable.

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 12 on 5/13/2006 4:29 PM >
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After reading the above threads, Im actually interested in taking this for UE. where do they generally teach CST?

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 13 on 5/16/2006 9:51 AM >
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Being an Instructor of Confined Space, I recently decided to become part of the Rescue COnfined Space taking the training course through the ministry fire department. Now my question is as follows "What is the best harness for rescue?"
and Why?

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 14 on 5/16/2006 9:54 AM >
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Posted by T1
After our incident yesterday (you can get to it here We Found Guns Z1 and I were talking to an officer at the scene. He recommended that we should get confined space training. Has anyone done this before and do you find it useful? How much did it cost?


Yes confined space is useful and beneficial
As an Instructor the cost is only 127.00cnd
I do 85% practical and only 15% theory as practical is
where it is at Theory is fine but if you do not have
more practical time then you are left with questions
after the fact, so when looking for a trainer make
sure you receive more practical then theory

Have a great day

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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 15 on 5/16/2006 2:50 PM >
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Posted by chkitas
Now my question is as follows "What is the best harness for rescue?"
and Why?


Here we're required to use NFPA approved class 3 harnesses. I don't have enough experience with them to have a favorite, but I think the best one would probably be something that was easy to put on. Some of those things are just a nightmare of straps and buckles. Not the kind of thing you want to be unsure about if you really need it.



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Re: Confined Space Training
<Reply # 16 on 5/16/2006 2:59 PM >
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the place i work at offers confined space training, i will be doing it in time, more for rescue then maintenance sence im part of the plants emergency response team

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