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Twystr
     
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<Reply # 60 on 5/22/2006 7:31 AM >
|  | | | Whenever I cross the tracks...I put my hand on then, vibrations can mean a advance warning of a train....Use the technique at blind curves - I would NOT advise this trick on a subway line, for the tracks can carry power, even though they arent the third rail.
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<Reply # 61 on 5/23/2006 1:42 PM >
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Whenever I cross the tracks...I put my hand on then, vibrations can mean a advance warning of a train....Use the technique at blind curves - I would NOT advise this trick on a subway line, for the tracks can carry power, even though they arent the third rail.
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When I wait at a station platform, I hear the tracks making that whisting vibration sound as an indicator the train is coming.
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 62 on 5/23/2006 3:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Twystr
Whenever I cross the tracks...I put my hand on then, vibrations can mean a advance warning of a train....Use the technique at blind curves - I would NOT advise this trick on a subway line, for the tracks can carry power, even though they arent the third rail.
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On high speed lines, 80+ MPH that use welded track, and concrete ties, the first sound you'll probably notice may well be the last. Never underestimate these trains, or how fast they can close the distance.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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piplnr65656
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<Reply # 63 on 5/23/2006 9:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by Twystr
Whenever I cross the tracks...I put my hand on then, vibrations can mean a advance warning of a train....Use the technique at blind curves - I would NOT advise this trick on a subway line, for the tracks can carry power, even though they arent the third rail.
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Why don't you just hold your ear to the track like the indians use to do.
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Hobbes
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<Reply # 64 on 5/23/2006 9:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by piplnr65656
Why don't you just hold your ear to the track...
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... and get decapitated. =D
The subject brought to my mind something I learned while sneaking through local trainyard at night. I noticed that ALL of the trains (passengertrains) were unlocked, and one could easily step in an empty train. Although all of them were powered up and lit from inside, so you could be seen very easily at the dark.
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<Reply # 65 on 6/1/2006 9:44 AM >
| | | | I say do what you have to do, but give respect to those working in the yards and on the trains. Follow the rules and regs of the rails and you should be fine.
I've been around the UP and SP lines for over 15 years now, and know what goes on around my area, as well as other areas around the US.
It takes mostly common sense and awareness to be around the yards.
One thing I don't agree with, is tampering with the rails by means of tripping the signals to cause the trains to stop. In a dire threat of emergency, use another way to signal the train or call 911, but don't cause harm to the train or the rails itself, which may allow more damage and fines towards you in return.
Enjoy your time on the rails, and enjoy the picturs that you have. Most of the yards around my area have been demolished into supermalls and apartments. Freight is being transported by trucking services and oceanliners, but rarely railroads anymore. Take all the pics that you can of the history and the past and present of your area. In a few months or even tomorrow, it could be gone.
Any questions about the UP or SP, feel free to ask...
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Mongo
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<Reply # 66 on 6/1/2006 12:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Hobbes
... and get decapitated. =D
The subject brought to my mind something I learned while sneaking through local trainyard at night. I noticed that ALL of the trains (passengertrains) were unlocked, and one could easily step in an empty train. Although all of them were powered up and lit from inside, so you could be seen very easily at the dark.
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We have both the NS line and the NJ Transit yard here in my area. Usually the reason the passenger trains are left lit up at night (at least around here) is because the crews come in and clean them at night. (Sweep up the trash, wipe the seats down, etc.) They usually don't lock them since they are in the yard adn no one normally will screw with them. Most of the times the engines are left running as well and I found out that it is less wear and tear on it to leave it running than to shut it down and restart it a couple of hours later. NS will not only leave the engines running out on a desolate spur, but leave them unlocked as too. I know you need a "key" and to do a shit load of other things to get them moving, but it just seems like a liability to me.
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<Reply # 67 on 6/3/2006 9:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by ArmchairExplorer
At least in the US and Canada, Railway police have full police powers on railway property. They're armed and are better trained than the average rentacop. More railway police and security are to be expected at yards and especially intermodal (container) terminals as these are frequent targets for thieves.
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I don't know about other states, but I've heard in the state of PA that all railroad cops are commissioned by the governor, and have the same authority as a state trooper.
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<Reply # 68 on 6/4/2006 12:01 AM >
|  | | | Ive never tried sneaking on railways or in subway tunnels. Ive seen all the talk about how easy it is to get past the gates and all but like you guys are saying, the the heck would you know when a trains comin before its too late? Secondly if you do see it and tuck up against the wall, the operator is gonna see you and report it to someone. I aint got nothing against exploring abandoned areas and all that but Ive never tried the active ones, I'm always afraid of getting caught or in this case, hit by a train lol.
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c0mm4
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I heart Detroit
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<Reply # 69 on 6/4/2006 12:31 AM >
| | | | If you want to hop freight trains, or even explore yards, read this book:
http://www.amazon....?v=glance&n=283155
It helps you understand yard safety, tells you which cars you can get on and which to stay away from, and also gives you a clearer picture of what a bull is likely to do.
You might also check out the documentary "Catching Out" just for inspirational purposes.
Trains need to be respected, certainly, but putting them on the verbotten list is over-reacting, I think. Rail riding is worth it.
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Switchkey
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<Reply # 70 on 6/4/2006 12:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by c0mm4
Trains need to be respected, certainly, but putting them on the verbotten list is over-reacting, I think. Rail riding is worth it.
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Nobody is staying out, just be careful and don't do anything stupid. (Just like any other active site)
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<Reply # 71 on 6/4/2006 1:07 AM >
| | | | Well if worse comes to worst you'll will usually have clearance if you lay flat down, face down as close to the wall, and as close to the ground as possible. This is for a last ditch effort only, and is extremely dangerous. Check for clearance before entering "no man's land", have an escape plan, a hiding spot. I know people who were killed simply because they didn't lay down, and tried to out run a train. Use your best judgement.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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c0mm4
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<Reply # 72 on 6/4/2006 2:56 AM >
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Well if worse comes to worst you'll will usually have clearance if you lay flat down, face down as close to the wall, and as close to the ground as possible. |
What kinds of situations are you describing? Tunnels? Bridges? Obviously it's much better just to make it a policy only to cross tracks (look and listen before you do, especially in yards. Cars travel incredibly quietly when they're rolling along without being attached to an engine.) Also, Duffy LittleJohn would council never to walk along tracks, and to avoid any areas that are too narrow to permit for you to dive off into a ditch or something.
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c0mm4
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<Reply # 73 on 6/4/2006 3:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by c0mm4
What kinds of situations are you describing? Tunnels? Bridges? Obviously it's much better just to make it a policy only to cross tracks (look and listen before you do, especially in yards. Cars travel incredibly quietly when they're rolling along without being attached to an engine.) Also, Duffy LittleJohn would council never to walk along tracks, and to avoid any areas that are too narrow to permit for you to dive off into a ditch or something.
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Oh, ok, BlackHawk is talking about subway tunnels. My bad.
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JimBoylan
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<Reply # 74 on 8/15/2006 5:15 PM >
| | | | | Posted by Samurai: the CP Rail guys who deliver at my mill are kind of crabby...when asked what they are using for motive power just grumble and reply, "I don't know. A big red one." |
They are probably ex-D&H men who are sad about loosing their blue engine to the big red Canadien company that bought them up.
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<Reply # 75 on 8/15/2006 5:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by c0mm4
Oh, ok, BlackHawk is talking about subway tunnels. My bad.
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You can get trapped against a wall anywhere, narrow overpasses present a similar danger. The fatality I was talking about was against a rock outcropping on a 4 track wide run. Tracks, and trains are deceivingly dangerous.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Lord Awesome
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Arbiter
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<Reply # 76 on 8/15/2006 5:40 PM >
| | | | Yeah, I have some friends that do graff under a highway bridge that a train runs under and they always hide when the train comes while the local homeless fella just lays there. I always wave at the engineer. They seem pretty friendly. I've always liked trains. They stop under that bridge rather frequently.
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JimBoylan
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<Reply # 77 on 8/15/2006 5:48 PM >
| | | | | Posted by Switchkey: If the train has passed the last signal... |
If it already passed the signal you are trying to change with the jumper wire, it's probably too late. Even some cab signal system won't help, the simpler ones just repeat in the engine cab what the last signal showed when it was passed.
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Switchkey
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<Reply # 78 on 8/16/2006 12:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Switchkey
To add to Sean's warning about this.
A - Even if there isn't a train immediately approaching, do NOT mess with the signal systems. Doing so will trigger an "unexplained track occupancy" on the Centralized Traffic Control panel and will result in maintainance of way staff being called to the location. (More people to kick you off the property)
B - The RTC cannot clear the signal and must give the train a Rule 564 authority to pass the signal, which limits the speed to that which the train can stop in half the range of vision until it passes the next signal. (Pissed off crew, much more likely to call you in.)
C - If the train has passed the last signal on a clear indication, the stop signal will be a surprise to them (see previous post)
D - If caught by the police (RR or other), you WILL be looking at far more serious charges than mere trespassing (Can we say terrorist, boys & girls) and no excuse will work.
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Post by JimBoylan
Posted by Switchkey: If the train has passed the last signal...
If it already passed the signal you are trying to change with the jumper wire, it's probably too late. Even some cab signal system won't help, the simpler ones just repeat in the engine cab what the last signal showed when it was passed
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When a signal goes to stop, the signal before it goes to clear-to-stop meaning "proceed, preparing to stop at next signal" and is the only warning that a signal will indicate other than clear. A train encountering a surprise stop signal may not be able to react to it without putting the train into emergency which can lead to a derailment.
The point of my earlier post was to warn of the DANGERS of messing with signal systems. You should NOT be trying to change a signal at any time for any reason.
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