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J Peterman location: Victoria B.C. I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. \|	Deadbolt Nudging < on 2/18/2006 4:11 AM >

	Can anyone further indulge me on this technique. I think I did it once using a knife to push the spring loaded deadbolt back into the door and using a key or piece of metal of sorts to "save" my progress while I once again nudged the deadbolt. Does this only work on some doors, anyone have any links to videos of this technique? I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.

MindHacker location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder. \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 1 on 2/18/2006 7:22 AM >

	1st - Its not a deasbolt. Deadbolts aren't spring loaded and break things if out&slammed. It only works on some doors, yes. And why do you need a video? all it is is pushing, holding---pushing until it butterknifes. tada. "That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 2 on 2/20/2006 2:54 AM >

Posted by J Peterman
Does this only work on some doors, anyone have any links to videos of this technique?

This only works on very old or cheap doors latches. Virtually all of the new fire doors and exterior doors will have a mult-part catch to stop this as well as a weather sil that extends beyond the edge of the door to keep tools and air out. If you think you did it once then you don't need a video to show you again. It's simple mechanics if you look at how a door catch works.

And, Mindhacker is correct. Catches (what's attached to door knobs) are not the same as deadbolts. There is no way past a properly installed deadbolt but to pick the lock or smash the frame. They cannot be nudged.
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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 3 on 2/20/2006 2:59 AM >

Posted by PAWolf
There is no way past a properly installed deadbolt but to pick the lock or smash the frame. They cannot be nudged.

There's a third way, if you want to nit-pick. A crow bar jammed between the frame and the deadbolt can pry the deadbolt far enough to get through it.

Or so I've heard....

J Peterman location: Victoria B.C. I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 4 on 2/20/2006 4:03 AM >

	How does this work exactly? Can you further indulge me a little? I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.

grit1 location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Got Shear Line? \| \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 5 on 2/20/2006 4:50 AM >

	Sometimes if a deadbolt lock is improperly installed, the hole that is drilled in the frame to accept the bolt isn't deep enough, and therefore the bolt cannot extend all the way. If this is the case, it will not "lock" in place and may be able to be moved in little increments using this so-called "nudging" technique. See other threads about butterknifing/slipping bolts, I had some comments that I wish not to re-type about designation between latch and lock bolts, dead bolts etc. ~Grit

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 6 on 2/22/2006 2:12 PM >

Posted by el nerdo

There's a third way, if you want to nit-pick. A crow bar jammed between the frame and the deadbolt can pry the deadbolt far enough to get through it.

Or so I've heard....

I have heard this works well also....

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Junix location: Pitt Meadows, BC, Canada Gender: Male Resident Firebrand \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 7 on 2/22/2006 5:59 PM >

	yes crowbars can be effective at making wood things into wood pieces RUAUER? "Security Measures: Creepy guy in trailer comes out at the slightest sound." -notwearingpants "And were off. N." -nobody

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 8 on 2/22/2006 6:09 PM >

Posted by Junix
yes crowbars can be effective at making wood things into wood pieces

Yes well, it'll work just as well on steel-framed doors.

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 9 on 2/22/2006 8:50 PM >

Posted by el nerdo

Yes well, it'll work just as well on steel-framed doors.

it'll work just as well at destroying the fuck out of steel framed doors.

leverage is a bitch, and crowbars are all about putting leverage to work.

Juggslayer McVomit location: Iowa, the asshole of the midwest Gender: Male I beat cancer! (and by cancer I mean children and old people) \| \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 10 on 2/23/2006 7:52 PM >

	please use the crowbar tactic only as a last ditch effort, beyond even picking. Usually you can get in without even picking... just be creative and resourceful and you'll be fine. Nothing alerts authorities faster than the door being ripped off of its hinges, so even if you make an access point, it won't stay there for long, and the chances of increased security are high except for the most abandoned of buildings. Then again, you just made an access point for the unskilled meth heads and gangbanger taggers, so you'll be partially to blame when the next explorer trips a methlab trap and gets their face blown off with a shotgun rig, something you probably don't want on your conscience. On an unrelated note, jimmying the door is easiest when there's a large gap between the door and the frame. On a non-deadbolted door, if you ever find the door open and you've got a long time to work with it without anyone dropping in on you, you can take a flat piece of plastic and remove the latch off the frame of the door and put in the plastic piece behind where the lock mechanism pushes into the doorframe. Then, the door "locks," and appears locked, but is incredibly easy to be jimmied. This is usually the method of choice if you find another way in and want to set up an easier access point. If you have more questions on this, direct them to Grit, as he is infinitely more skilled in this field than myself. -J -To sum up: 1. The cosmos is a gigantic fly-wheel making 10, 000 revolutions a minute. 2. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it. 3. Religion is the theory that the wheel was designed and set spinning to give him the ride. -Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. -H.L. Mencken

junkyard location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat. \| \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 11 on 2/23/2006 11:44 PM >

	There is a fourth and fifth way, one involves a torch and the other involves a 3/4 ton pickup and a log chain, but I'm not saying which is which. I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner! Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite. Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 12 on 2/24/2006 5:36 AM >

Posted by junkyard
There is a fourth and fifth way, one involves a torch and the other involves a 3/4 ton pickup and a log chain, but I'm not saying which is which.

You forgot about the "urban invader" method - no metal door is any match for a couple of M80's...

J Peterman location: Victoria B.C. I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. \|	Re: Deadbolt Nudging <Reply # 13 on 2/24/2006 5:37 AM >

	Your kidding right....I put a m80 under a skateboard and it didnt even do a kickflip... I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.

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Re: Deadbolt Nudging
<Reply # 14 on 2/24/2006 5:53 AM >

Posted by J Peterman
Your kidding right....I put a m80 under a skateboard and it didnt even do a kickflip...

Yeah it's kind of a local inside joke...

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	In the booklet that came with my lockpicks, there was a diagram of a car jack being used to pry the door frame away from a door. Destructive, but still works I suppose. A cage went in search of a bird.

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