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res_novae
location: NoVA Gender: Male
| | | Lockpicking Assistance... < on 2/18/2006 12:03 AM >
| | | I just picked up the "starter kit" off southord.com (the 5 piece set with the booklet.) I can pick masterlocks/padlocks with the feeler pretty effectively, but I keep trying a Master Deadbolt in my basement (its on my door..so I really can't take it apart and practice), and am having no luck whatsoever. I can routinely get 2 pins up, and sometimes three if I'm lucky, but cannot seem to get it open. I've been at it for the last two days off an on (a total of about 3 hours on this lock.). The book claims it should take you 20 minutes to get open your first deadbolt... I was wondering if anyone had tips to opening locks, or if deadbolts are amazingly hard. I've tried barely applying pressure to the tension wrench, applying tons of pressure and everything in between. I've tried using the rake tools, and failed miserably. Just curious if there are any tips and pointers. I know the "buy a lock, take it apart, and practice pin by pin to get the feel." Sadly, I spent the last of my money on food and a lockpick set, so it'll be a couple weeks untill I can buy a lock. Any good tips for now and untill then would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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surekill
location: Victoria, BC. Gender: Male
I like tacos
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 1 on 2/18/2006 12:12 AM >
| | | I'm sure Master, Weiser and Schlage do everything they can to make it very difficult. If any n00b with a lockpick could open their locks they wouldn't be in business. [last edit 2/18/2006 12:13 AM by surekill - edited 1 times]
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frugalfinnagan
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 2 on 2/18/2006 12:34 AM >
| | | you Don't have to buy a lock to practice on. You could pull one out of an abandonment practice on it and put it bach when you have it figured out.
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Pravus
location: Chicago Area Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 3 on 2/18/2006 12:58 AM >
| | | just try working on one of the pins that you can't get and forget the rest.. also try opening up with raking the hell out of it, sometimes you get some freebies.. Other then that just sit around at the door and work at it..
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Bry
location: Goose Creek, SC Gender: Male
hehe, you looked
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 4 on 2/18/2006 1:54 AM >
| | | try raking a little bit, keep tension, and pick the rest you cant get induvidually.
The Decoy till 11-18-2006 |
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MindHacker
location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 5 on 2/18/2006 7:19 AM >
| | | It could have security pins. The locks in my school have them (BEST brand), and I spent 10 minutes only getting 3 of them, and realized I had missed an early pin. They feel like spool pins. I could get them last year, but this year I suck. My advice, keep practicing pin-by-pin and switching tween the ones you have gotten and the ones you haven't. And you can deff take it out, it's just a bit more work.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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grit1
location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 6 on 2/20/2006 5:16 AM >
| | | A few things... Deadbolts are a type of lock mechanism, not a type of cylinder. Every type of dead bolt lock is different. I've said it before elsewhere but I'll reiterate that Kwikset deadbolts are easiest, followed by weiser, master, schlage etc. Some of these manufacturers have commercial lines that are better quality. MindHacker - it is unlikely that the BEST SFIC cylinders you encountered were difficult because of security pins - it is more likely that you were getting the two shear lines in this lock confused. There is a control and an operating shear line, and if you don't set pins on one or the other it will bind up and feel picked [all of the pins will be set] but you're not going anywhere. res_novae - keep trying, keep attacking that lock, you'll get it eventually. Try different techniques, and use your analytical mind to figure out the lock. The MIT Guide to Lockpicking is highly recommended reading. It will teach you more methods than that "Easy Pickings" pamphlet that comes with SouthOrd picksets. You should beware, however, that you could damage the lock you're picking by putting too much tension or raking too heavily. Be careful not to wear it out. Keep your tension light and try to project yourself inside of the lock - and read the MIT guide! ~Grit
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MindHacker
location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 7 on 2/21/2006 4:14 AM >
| | | grit - Good call. I did a search and although BEST cores may contain spools, its highly unlikely. Do you have any pointers for picking to only one of the shear lines (I'm not to picky which really).
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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grit1
location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 8 on 2/21/2006 6:13 AM >
| | | Posted by MindHacker grit - Good call. I did a search and although BEST cores may contain spools, its highly unlikely. Do you have any pointers for picking to only one of the shear lines (I'm not to picky which really).
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Really it's just know thy lock - it's usually easier to find a cylinder in a padlock somewhere forgotten, cut it off, cut the lock open, decode the pins and make yourself a control key for the system...technically, you should be able to, given enough time, discern one shear line from the other by trial and error, but it's not likely. Really you have a slim chance of setting just one shear line, though I've done it [by chance/trial and error]. I've heard mixed results with bumping as well - usually you'll get the operating shear line, but on rare occasions you'll get the control. The reason you are more likely to get the operating shear line is that it's most likely master pinned, meaning that you're more likely to hit one of the divided pins rather than the single pins of the control line. They're all in the same keyspace, however, so it doesn't have as large of an impact as you might think.
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ToastProphet
Gender: Male
Tea! That's all I needed. Good cup of tea.
| | | | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 9 on 2/21/2006 3:53 PM >
| | | i'm actually having the opposite issue, i started practicing a little bit ago with a deadbolt i picked up from a store. however, i was under the impression that this is monstrously difficult and i was able to pick the lock on my second day in under 10 seconds. it locks fine and seems to be functional (i took it apart and did the trick where you add a pin at a time to ease you into it) can that be right? it just seems really unrealistic and i'm wondering if anyone has had similiar issues with deceptively easy locks?
scaaary muffins |
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grit1
location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 10 on 2/21/2006 4:40 PM >
| | | Some locks are easier than others, every lock is different. If it's just straight pins with master segments and no spool/mushroom pins, it will be easy. It's good to have a variety of practice subjects. ~G
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Swimr
location: Edmonton, Canada Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 11 on 2/23/2006 8:23 AM >
| | | All I'm going to say is make sure you're turning the right way. I always make that mistake right off the bat as I suck at figuring it out. -Toast: I started on a deadbolt too and found it very easy to pick once I got the hang of it, and I have failed miserably with the padlocks I have. BUt yeah, you may have to wait a while until you can buy a new lock, and rip it apart. Until then practice practice practice! Good luck!
School, Sustinence, Swim, Sleep, Repeat. UE when possible. |
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ToastProphet
Gender: Male
Tea! That's all I needed. Good cup of tea.
| | | | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 12 on 2/23/2006 11:34 PM >
| | | oh good. thanks for the advice! it's nice to know that i'm headed the right way.
scaaary muffins |
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Viper
location: Vancouver, BC Canada Gender: Male
Trespassing On!
| | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 13 on 2/24/2006 12:35 AM >
| | | Posted by res_novae Sadly, I spent the last of my money on food and a lockpick set |
Glad to see you got your priorities straight. [Edit for info:] Don't buy Kwikset locks for your exterior house doors. They are crap. They are sold at Home Depot and should stay away from them. In fact, stay away from Home Depot. [last edit 2/24/2006 12:41 AM by Viper - edited 1 times]
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trojansxc91
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 14 on 2/25/2006 8:13 PM >
| | | Posted by Viper Glad to see you got your priorities straight. [Edit for info:] Don't buy Kwikset locks for your exterior house doors. They are crap. They are sold at Home Depot and should stay away from them. In fact, stay away from Home Depot.
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whoops, just did. hahaha whats the best brand to buy? schlage?
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J Peterman
location: Victoria B.C.
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 15 on 2/25/2006 10:27 PM >
| | | Sorry this is off topic but can someone here direct me to a technique I briefly heard about. Shimmeying? Im not sure if thats what its called where you take a little piece of metal and slip in behind the bolt of a padlock (master lock) and open it without touching the pins at all. What is this called and how do I do it / make a shimmey?
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. |
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MindHacker
location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 16 on 2/26/2006 8:27 AM >
| | | shims, they are shims. and http://www.uer.ca/..._search1.asp?fid=3 gah.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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grit1
location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 17 on 2/26/2006 8:40 AM >
| | | Posted by trojansxc91
whoops, just did. hahaha whats the best brand to buy? schlage?
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This is a bit on the off-topic side, but the best locks for your house will be Schlage's upper line, and probably the best you can get in the residential division is Medeco's home security product. You get ANSI 1 rating, key control and very good pick resistance. Schlage is good for the suburbs, however. When I get a house someday I'll be putting all commercial locks on the doors - a whole nother class of security! ~G
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M. Fuzzy
location: GTA Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 18 on 2/26/2006 11:21 PM >
| | | Those of you out there keep in mind also a lock's secureness is only as good as the weakest part of your house. Putting a Medeco high-security lock on your door is useless if a thief could just break the window next to it to get in.
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rainman8889
location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: Lockpicking Assistance... <Reply # 19 on 2/28/2006 2:42 AM >
| | | Posted by Mr. Fuzzy Those of you out there keep in mind also a lock's secureness is only as good as the weakest part of your house. Putting a Medeco high-security lock on your door is useless if a thief could just break the window next to it to get in.
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No kidding. When my Mom bought her house, I changed the locks on the doors. One of the locks was right next to the milk door. I was told not to worry about the milk door as the inner door to it could not be opened from the outside. I thought, "What the hell, give it a try." I had that door opened with one quick thump from my hand, reached in and opened the brand new dead bolt I had just installed. Next job, permanently closed the outer door for the milk door by making a 2x4 frame in the opening and securing the outer door to the frame with 3 inch wood screws.
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